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Macy" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:47:45 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bznOiYGbOMhIL_8UvY7BwimpOhY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Intel hardware bug To: Cy Schubert Cc: Eric McCorkle , Jules Gilbert , "Ronald F. Guilmette" , Freebsd Security , Brett Glass , =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= , Poul-Henning Kamp , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Hackers , Shawn Webb , Nathan Whitehorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 21:57:55 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 19:47:46 -0000 On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:37 AM, K. Macy wrote: > On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Cy Schubert = wrote: >> According to a Red Hat announcement, Power and Series z are also vulnera= ble. >> > > Link? Spectre yes. Meltdown no. Spectre is a problem but much harder to exploit. It's Intel's handling of meltdown that is seriously grounds for table flipping. https://www.ibm.com/blogs/psirt/potential-impact-processors-power-family/ > > >> --- >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric McCorkle >> Sent: 05/01/2018 04:48 >> To: Jules Gilbert; Ronald F. Guilmette; Freebsd Security; Brett Glass; D= ag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav; Poul-Henning Kamp; freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; FreeB= SD Hackers; Shawn Webb; Nathan Whitehorn >> Subject: Re: Intel hardware bug >> >> On 01/05/2018 05:07, Jules Gilbert wrote: >>> Sorry guys, you just convinced me that no one, not the NSA, not the FSB= , >>> no one!, has in the past, or will in the future be able to exploit this >>> to actually do something not nice. >> >> Attacks have already been demonstrated, pulling secrets out of kernel >> space with meltdown and http headers/passwords out of a browser with >> spectre. Javascript PoCs are already in existence, and we can expect >> them to find their way into adware-based malware within a week or two. >> >> Also, I'd be willing to bet you a year's rent that certain three-letter >> organizations have known about and used this for some time. >> >>> So what is this, really?, it's a market exploit opportunity for AMD. >> >> Don't bet on it. There's reports of AMD vulnerabilities, also for ARM. >> I doubt any major architecture is going to make it out unscathed. (But >> if one does, my money's on Power) >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"