From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 23 17:25:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C6316A473; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:25:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu (phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.89]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ABE13C48D; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from [128.205.32.4] (opus.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu (8.14.1/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l9NHP3Gn094889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:25:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu) From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, simon@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200710231622.l9NGMghL042088@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <200710231622.l9NGMghL042088@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-GS0TLBcsN8T400zQjIUs" Organization: U. Buffalo CSE Department Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:25:03 -0400 Message-Id: <1193160303.23437.63.camel@opus.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-DCC--Metrics: phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu Cc: Subject: Re: [simon@FreeBSD.org: cvs commit: src/crypto/openssl/ssl d1_both.c ?dtls1.h ssl.h ssl_err.c] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:25:25 -0000 --=-GS0TLBcsN8T400zQjIUs Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 18:22 +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > RELENG_7 isn't -STABLE yet >=20 > Uhm, are you sure? In the past, whenever a new RELENG > branch was created, it was implicitly the next -stable > branch, because -current moved on to the next version > number. Did that policy change? It is implicitly the *next* -stable but it's not there yet. That's what Simon was saying. FreeBSD's development (specifically the CVS repository) is public. But the bottom line is that the RELENG_X branches are *development* branches. If we were a corporation those would be private to the Developers. As such the RELENG_X branches at times have nebulous states, gray zones, etc. We're in one such gray zone now. If I needed to come up with a name for RELENG_7 right now it would be what I set its name to when I first branched it: 7.0-PRERELEASE. It doesn't officially become -stable until there has been a release done from it. I've said this many times before. There are lots of people out there who use RELENG_X. But strictly speaking that's a *development* branch. There can be glitches while using it, mistakes do get made on it, etc. We don't want to act like a private company, we don't want to hide the development work. BUT we *do* need to have RELENG_X as a development tool and people using it need to realize that's exactly what it is. The RELENG_X_Y branches are what is meant for "general public consumption". > If it did change, I'm curious to know what the version > 7 branch is called right now (6 being -stable and 8 > being -current)? I assume we do not have two -current > branches at the same time, do we? No change in any policies or anything like that. What I'm describing has been the status quo for a long time but people tend to forget or never quite "get it" or ... so I'm sure you're not the only one thinking this way. --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | --=-GS0TLBcsN8T400zQjIUs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHHi5v/G14VSmup/YRAuCAAKCU7fsUahOuTCR6IKipAei2lXTBfwCfX9I9 M0IHFtKN0pGR+k521H6h0f8= =e5AM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-GS0TLBcsN8T400zQjIUs--