From owner-freebsd-git@freebsd.org Wed May 29 11:51:51 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-git@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB4115C0585 for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 11:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from msa1.earth.yoonka.com (yoonka.com [88.98.225.149]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "msa1.earth.yoonka.com", Issuer "msa1.earth.yoonka.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8736B8F76D for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 11:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from crayon2.yoonka.com (crayon2.yoonka.com [10.70.7.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by msa1.earth.yoonka.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x4TBphb4071770 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 11:51:43 GMT (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Subject: Re: Introduction To: freebsd-git@freebsd.org References: <1946748.RhTPgMbj8J@beastie.bionicmutton.org> From: Grzegorz Junka Message-ID: <6ca432ef-d599-3f5b-0e9a-cb14f5f0fbdf@gjunka.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 11:51:43 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1946748.RhTPgMbj8J@beastie.bionicmutton.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB-large X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8736B8F76D X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list1@gjunka.com designates 88.98.225.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list1@gjunka.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.83 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:88.98.225.149]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-git@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gjunka.com]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[gjunka.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.877,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.64)[ip: (-9.53), ipnet: 88.98.192.0/18(-4.77), asn: 56478(-3.81), country: GB(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:56478, ipnet:88.98.192.0/18, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-git@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of git use in the FreeBSD project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 11:51:51 -0000 On 29/05/2019 10:12, Adriaan de Groot wrote: > Hi all, > > Presumably Ed will provide a kick-off message soon-ish for the git WG. > > Reading developers@ has been rather disheartening, mostly because *all* the > talking points there are the same as the talking points that KDE went through > whenever we switched from SVN (at the time, pretty much the largest SVN repo > in the world) to git. > > Anyway: hi! > > I'm [ade] on IRC, adridg@ on mail, and Adriaan in real life. I wear KDE and > FreeBSD hats, and have a fair amount of experience in juggling svn (FreeBSD), > hg (when I did Solaris packaging) and git (KDE) repositories. I used darcs for > a month, and CVS of course back in the '90s. > > If I may make a position statement to start off with (before Ed's kick-off): > > We need to know what the question is, and then we can untangle all the answers > we already have. > > This sounds a lot like the Hitchhiker's Guide, really. Watching the BSDCan > video it looks like core@ is asking the WG "to make the move to git happen". > That's rather vague as a mandate and as a question: git for what? Which > software or data artifacts are to be moved into git? Does that cover src, > ports, docs in their current form? Is some form of repo-reorganization > desired? Splitting repo's? > > Knowing the exact question helps steer discussions around workflow, tooling, > and the documentation of workflow and tooling. ports/ *isn't* src/, and works > quite differently. Tooling revolves around GitHub, GitLab, git command-line, > etc. There's plenty to sort out there both philosophically and practically. > > All of this against the background of what's *fait accompli*. > > await(Ed) > > [ade] Hi Adriaan, What's WG? What BSDCan video you are talking about, is it possible to include any links? What's core@ and developers@? Can't see any such lists. I've briefly checked the list archives in the last few months and haven't noticed any thread related to this "Introduction". What's going on? If I may, if core@ was asking anything of anyone on this list they would likely post a question here, not do it through a BSDCan video? GrzegorzJ