From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 2 10:37:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E59B365 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:37:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from achimhut@achimhut.de) Received: from mailgw.digital-impact.de (mailgw.digital-impact.de [212.48.96.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558FD8A6 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mailgw.digital-impact.de (Postfix, from userid 58) id A352A1E322F; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:29:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mailgw.digital-impact.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from mail.digitalimpact.org (unknown [192.168.10.2]) by mailgw.digital-impact.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E571E322C; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:29:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (hnvr-4dbd536c.pool.mediaWays.net [77.189.83.108]) by mail.digitalimpact.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC9E13A6; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:29:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <515AB309.30006@achimhut.de> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 12:29:29 +0200 From: Achim Hut User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kimmo Paasiala Subject: Re: considering i386 as a tier 1 architecture References: <944760435.20130401210118@serebryakov.spb.ru> <8638v9e22j.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 10:50:10 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 10:37:16 -0000 Am 02.04.2013 12:13, schrieb Kimmo Paasiala: > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >> >>> Wojciech Puchar writes: >>>> Lev Serebryakov writes: >>>>> It is not exact so. Some Atoms on some motherboards with some >>>>> firmwares are 64-bit CPU. >>>> don't know of any now in shops that are not >>> >>> http://soekris.com/products/net5501.html >>> http://soekris.com/products/net6501.html >>> >>> DES >>> -- >>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no >>> >> >> >> I am NOT able to understand the merit of these products with respect to >> their features and PRICES . >> >> It is possible to assemble much more cheaper full featured PC like systems >> ( DDR3 memory , 64-bit capable processors , with a disadvantage about power >> requirements ) . >> >> > > > Power consumption. ...Space - Price - temperature, easy to use, no Fans, no Noise... I was surprised about this discussion and first thought, its some kind of april joke. Everybody talks about cheap new 64 bit hardware But how about the hardware people are actualy using? In our datacenter we are running (beside 64bit machines) a large amount of 32bit servers. We have a room full of spare parts, spare servers... And we have no reason to change them to 64bit hardware. HP, IBM, they all run since years and i am shure, they make 5-10 more years :-) And we dont want to stop using FreeBSD after V9.x or so. Dont forget there are a lot of different people with different needs out there. Not everybody puts his focus on a cheap desktop PC thats thrown away after 3 years Achim