From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 11 16:00:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27945D7F18 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:00:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46T67264bPz45jK for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 541C341AAC; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x8BG0CSG077532; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:00:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x8BG0C4A077529; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:00:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:00:12 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@fledge.watson.org To: Polytropon cc: Lowell Gilbert , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where is the info viewer? In-Reply-To: <20190911160926.5b3549c3.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20190910070033.GA29721@admin.sibptus.ru> <20190911041439.9ba45e18.freebsd@edvax.de> <10971217-3072-cfee-785d-3748e9879a2f@gmail.com> <20190911110708.95a9b3f8.freebsd@edvax.de> <44ftl3hrdf.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20190911160926.5b3549c3.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46T67264bPz45jK X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@fledge.watson.org has no SPF policy when checking 204.107.128.30) smtp.mailfrom=doug@fledge.watson.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.13 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[watson.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.981,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[30.128.107.204.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:204.107.128.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(2.15)[ip: (5.73), ipnet: 204.107.128.0/24(2.87), asn: 11288(2.23), country: US(-0.05)] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:00:16 -0000 On Wed, 11 Sep 2019, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 09:52:44 -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> Polytropon writes: >> >>> On a fresh install of FreeBSD 12.0 amd64, I installed something via pkg, >>> and then used "man ", which complained that I need to install >>> groff. I did that - and the manpage could be read. I'm just mentioning >>> this because I've never seen this before... >> >> Historically, man(1) was essentially "nroff -man" under the covers. > > Older FreeBSD versions came with /usr/bin/groff - similar problem > as with info, except that _some_ manpages were available without > installing 3rd party software (probably already processed and > rendered, and in that form part of the default installation). > > I've also been using groff to turn man entries into PDF files. :-) Now that's clever. I'll bet you can read and modify /etc/termcap :) >From another email in this thread: > It's like how tools like dig and bind disappeared from the base system. They > are now in ports and can be installed optionally. However, if a documentation > file is still part of the OS, and installed along with the tools comprising > the OS, the corresponding reader (!) should also be part of the OS. Or at > least a placeholder, which could be a script that simply echo "This tool is no > longer part of FreeBSD, please install this or that.", exit 0. :-) My thought on texinfo was that this was a bit different than when nslookup, dig, and bind were removed from the base. To the level I use drill it has the same syntax as dig, nslookup functions can [mostly??] be done with host. Bind is, well, bind. Here we remove the tool needed to read a set of files from the base but leave the files. I suspect there will be a lot of this when sendmail is removed from the base.