From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 5 0:50:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from catalyst.sasknow.net (catalyst.sasknow.net [207.195.92.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD99D37B42B for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 00:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ryan@localhost) by catalyst.sasknow.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g358nnU43637; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 02:49:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) X-Authentication-Warning: catalyst.sasknow.net: ryan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 02:49:49 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Thompson To: "Philip J. Koenig" Cc: Questions@FreeBSD.ORG, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: hub.freebsd.org spam policy In-Reply-To: <20020405075914777.AAA405@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> Message-ID: <20020405020241.B43078-100000@catalyst.sasknow.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Philip J. Koenig wrote: > On 4 Apr 2002, at 23:25, Kris Kennaway boldly uttered: > > > hub.FreeBSD.org bounces a spam email about once per second (yes, > > you read that right)..that's how "unnecessary" those "ineffective" > > rules are. That is a very interesting statistic. Thanks Kris. > You're probably right Of course he's right. At least, I've always known Kris to be right far more often than he's wrong. :-) This is the point where your reply should have stopped. Instead, you choose to bring it nearly full circle. The only new bit of garbage you bring to this thread is the following: > > [I asserted that freebsd.org was using spam assassin based on some > > list traffic I had seen] > > > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > > > the specifics so I can take it up with the "anti-spam" utility > > > authors. ("Spam-Assassin", if I'm not mistaken) > > > > > > > we dont use "Spam-Assassin". never have. > > > > [end of message] > > A little curt I'd say, and not particularly chock full of helpful > information. A little curt? Did you stop to think at exactly how busy the FreeBSD postmaster is? What volume of mail that person responds to per day? How busy they are ACTIVELY WORKING on eliminating spam (as opposed to bitching about it)? That the position is volunteer? That the person you correspond with has a family to feed just like the rest of us? The fact that you got a response AT ALL could be considered somewhat of an amazement. Honestly, Phil, something tells me that you are NOT very likely to be taken seriously until you can stop annoying the hard working people in (and in support of) the FreeBSD project. We are also a bright and kind group of people who do not like to be insulted. It would also help your argument a great deal if you could provide something better than "IMHO" to back up your claims of something better. Like maybe the results of statistically valid hypothesis testing demonstrating the effectiveness of YOUR spam reduction method over your chosen criteria: 1. Percentage of spam messages filtered 2. Percentage of false positives matched To be statistically valid in any interesting way, of course, your sample would have to represent a useful population, and show the strong rejection of the null hypothesis. I would *definitely* be willing to co-author research like this, given your amazing spam filtering methods, should you need assistance. I suggest we get started right away, as the spammers are already cooking up new methods that will completely change the definition of "useful population". > Apparently (just like the first ISP I had a run-in with about "anti- > spam" filters that blocked me from emailing friends and associates) > they want their measures to remain a closely-guarded secret. THAT is a very thin presumption indeed. :-) - Ryan -- Ryan Thompson Network Administrator, Accounts SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com #106-380 3120 8th St E - Saskatoon, SK - S7H 0W2 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-664-1161 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message