Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 11:53:46 -0500 From: Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing amd64 FreeBSD 11.1 in dual-boot with Windows 7 on an MBR partitioned disk Message-ID: <3475118a-208b-5f25-7da3-b8a7e83afe2f@denninger.net> In-Reply-To: <CANt7McFK349gVvZhgED62J9dxZSDW5kw2_mrYs73QcqYBzGU_A@mail.gmail.com> References: <CANt7McGqZG0mJFmuQgE4_rFu_0kmnyUCUCZyrrThKMjJtnyewA@mail.gmail.com> <59D7BE53.5050409@grosbein.net> <CANt7McEUP1MC32zJt0%2BbOi-1A6FFXr-C2D6ibKB5gZKr5xWEyQ@mail.gmail.com> <CANCZdfpRJg4twPJ34V=6s-MEXnKM-9eHzW3pyb93TyN%2Bg4vfBg@mail.gmail.com> <CANt7McFK349gVvZhgED62J9dxZSDW5kw2_mrYs73QcqYBzGU_A@mail.gmail.com>
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This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070604070307080908080402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/7/2017 11:27, Rostislav Krasny wrote: > On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: >> Sorry for top posting. Sounds like your BIOS will read the botox64.efi= from >> the removable USB drive, but won't from the hard drive. Force BIOS boo= ting >> instead of UEFI and it will install correctly. However, it may not boo= t >> Windows, which I think requires UEFI these days. >> >> The root of the problem is that we have no way to setup the EFI boot >> variables in the installer that we need to properly installed under UE= FI. >> I'm working on that, so you'll need to be patient... >> >> Warner > My computer doesn't have any EFI partition and this explains why the > installed FreeBSD boots in the BIOS mode on it. The installation media > probably has the EFI partition (with the bootx64.efi) and then BIOS > probably boots the installation media in the UEFI mode instead of the > BIOS mode. So the "machdep.bootmethod" sysctl doesn't represent the > BIOS boot mode configuration but a boot method the currently running > system was booted in. If this is true then the "machdep.bootmethod" > sysctl should not be used in bsdinstall. At least not for the > bootability check. Something else should be used for the bootability > check or the bsdinstall should trust the user choice. > > BTW this is how the EFI partition looks like in someone's Windows 7 > disk manager: > https://www.easyuefi.com/wintousb/images/en_US/efi-system-partition.png= > and this how it looks without any EFI partition in my system (with > Windows 7 / FreeBSD dual-boot) > http://i68.tinypic.com/9u19b8.png > > I think even that NTFS System Reserved partition is not mandatory for > Windows installation. It just used to keep Windows boot files in a > safe, place preventing accidental deletion by a user. It's being > created if Windows is installed on an empty disk but if you create > just one big NTFS partition prior to the Windows installation and > install it on that single partition it will be ok. There will be just > more Windows system files on the C disk, for example ntldr, > NTDETECT.COM. It can be checked on VM, for example on VirtualBox. > _______________________________________________ The problem with the new installer appears to be that it follows this heuristic when you boot FreeBSD media from a USB stick or similar media: 1. If the system CAN boot EFI then it WILL EFI boot the FreeBSD installer from that media. 2. The installer sees that it booted from EFI.=C2=A0 It also sees a fixed= disk with a non-EFI boot environment.=C2=A0 It declares that fixed disk environment "non-bootable", which is not by any means a known fact. 3. Having done that it will then "offer" to re-initialize the disk as EFI/GPT, which is ok if you don't have anything else on there that you want.=C2=A0 If you DO then it's obviously not ok, and in that instance it= both won't load the MBR boot manager *and* won't load the second-stage MBR boot code either. You can get around this by hand-installing both parts of the boot code, which is what I wound up doing on my Lenovo laptop.=C2=A0 That machine wa= s originally delivered with Windows 7 and upgraded "in place" to Win10, which is why the disk is MBR-partitioned rather than EFI/GPT, although the machine itself does support EFI booting. I would suggest that the FreeBSD installer should be more-intelligent about this, but I suspect it's a fairly uncommon set of circumstances.=C2= =A0 Far more troublesome in the EFI world is the fact that "out-of-the-box" multi-boot in an EFI environment is a five-alarm pain in the butt although there are EFI boot managers that make it reasonable. --=20 Karl Denninger karl@denninger.net <mailto:karl@denninger.net> /The Market Ticker/ /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ --------------ms070604070307080908080402 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC DdgwggagMIIEiKADAgECAhMA5EiKghDOXrvfxYxjITXYDdhIMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGL MQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UECAwHRmxvcmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBwwJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkw 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