From owner-freebsd-security Sun Oct 8 9:17:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D755037B502 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id JAA06928; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:14:43 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda06922; Sun Oct 8 09:14:33 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e98GEHH10548; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdO10546; Sun Oct 8 09:14:15 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e98GEBC13248; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010081614.e98GEBC13248@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdC13229; Sun Oct 8 09:13:57 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Wes Peters Cc: Darren Reed , David Talkington , Craig Cowen , "freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Check Point FW-1 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 07 Oct 2000 22:45:30 MDT." <39DFFBE9.546DFE24@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 09:13:55 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <39DFFBE9.546DFE24@softweyr.com>, Wes Peters writes: > Darren Reed wrote: > > > > In some mail from David Talkington, sie said: > > > > > > b) To a boss concerned about the bottom line, a purchase equals > > > accountability (e.g., someone to sue when it breaks). This is (in my > > > humble opinion) typical of management that doesn't really care about > > > security of the company's data per se, but just wants their personal > > > asses covered. > > > > For the record, you can't sue anyone who's got the "standard" software > > license/disclaimer over the failure of it to perform or be bug free. > > Read it one day and actually see what it's all about. > > But you can threaten to stop paying them tens of thousands of dollars in > customer/technical non-support contract fees if they don't come up with > a fix real fast. On the flip side, the vendor can raise the price of licensing and support, then you're stuck. Take a look at Oracle's new pricing. Time to buy Oracle stock at least for the short term :) Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message