From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 4 23:34:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18569106566C for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECAE8FC22 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:34:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from [10.66.240.106] (public-wireless.sv.svcolo.com [64.13.135.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m54NY9Nd073003; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:34:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.865 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.865 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=0.575] Message-Id: <80D7EE2D-A970-407B-A42C-AD17500BC463@netconsonance.com> From: Jo Rhett To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <4846D849.2090005@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:34:04 -0700 References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <4846D849.2090005@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:34:12 -0000 On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Doug Barton wrote: >> But given that 6.3 is still experiencing bugs with things that are >> working fine and stable in 6.2, this is a pretty hard case to make. > > I admit to not having been following 6.x too closely, but are these > things that have been reported, or problems you're having personally? I go into the hardware and questions list and search for the hardware devices we use, and see problem reports. I see associated bugs, unclosed. I set aside upgrade for later ;-) >> This is also a fairly significant investment in terms of time and >> money for any business to handle this ugprade. > > Having an upgrade path is something every operation needs. "Set it > and forget it" isn't a viable strategy in the current culture where > 0-day vulnerabilities are becoming increasingly common. Absolutely not saying that. In fact, we had 6.3 upgrade on the books for April but when I looked in April there were still open bugs. I looked in late May and saw the same. So we punted to late June (because the original end of life was June 30th) and then suddenly we're getting messages every night saying that we're unsupported. So we're staying unsupported until 6.3 stabilizes obviously. That sucks. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness