Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:10:48 -0700 From: Joe Rhett <jrhett@isite.net> To: Marc Fonvieille <blackend@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Items missing from the handbook and/or FAQs. Message-ID: <20040424031048.GA9858@isite.net> In-Reply-To: <20040423203646.GA35640@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20040423193700.GA5329@isite.net> <20040423203646.GA35640@abigail.blackend.org>
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On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 10:36:46PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > get rid of the ppp0 and sl0 interfaces. The answer was to copy related > > parameters from /etc/defaults/rc.conf to /etc/rc.conf and change them. > > > > (The handbook actually does say "modify rc.conf" but it doesn't say what > > items should be modified!) > > > > Wrong, read > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html > about sl and ppp Maybe it's just me, but would you look for bathroom cleaning information in a manual about your oven? Neither would I. If you need to edit the kernel to disable PPP, then this should be noted in the PPP configuration documentation. > > Also a note to create /etc/start_if.{ifname} to put the wireless options in > > would also have saved me reading through the rc scripts. I asusme that's a > > general case for all interfaces, but it could bear repeating in the wireless > > documentation. (when there is some...) > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.html > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-bluetooth.html I'm not certain what you are trying to say here, since both of these links fail to mention what I stated above. They give you the basic commands, but leave you with the impression that you'll have to type these every time you want to configure the interface. Even just a few links to other relevant documentation would greatly improve these sections. > > 3. Choosing filesystem types > > > > During setup you can create filesystems other than FreeBSD, but you are > > supposed to magickally know their filesystem type numbers. The setup > > documenation and the fdisk tools only tell you the filesystem numbers for > > freebsd, linux and dos. An option to get a list would be nice. > > Documentation of the filesystem types would be nice too. (I had to use > > fdisk on a linux system to get the filesystem numbers I needed) > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-pre.html > especially 2.2.3.1 Disk Layouts for the i386 Naturally, I can browse the freebsd website while I'm partitioning the disk... makes sense to me. Now how about the real question I raised, which is integrated documentation? An option to see a list of disk types...? > > Suggestion: put a gdm configuration script there right next to the xdm > > configuration. The people who love twm know what to do to make it happy. > > Forcing people who aren't in love with twm and startx to hack at and make > > their own gdm startup scripts doesn't make much sense. > > > > (yes, there is an example gdm startup script, but it won't work be default > > and you have to search for it, edit it, move it to the proper directory, > > etc....) > > Well XDM and KDM are covered in the Handbook, we can't cover everything. I'm not talking about documentation, I'm talking about sensible defaults. It's not a lack of documentation, it's a lack of useful setup scripts. Straight up: I'm building this system to set up a test environment for a client. When I got done with the installation and there was no usable windows environment and no usable mail client, and no usable network interface ... I was pretty much ready to tell the client to find a modern OS. I mean, hello, Unix systems came better working out the box in the mid-80s. Why are we going backwards? > > 1. How to put DHCP on the wireless card? > > > > I still haven't figured this out. I run dhclient on the interface by hand > > after every reboot and it works fine, but I'm assuming there is some > > standard method of telling the system that wi0 should be a dhcp-managed, right? > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-dhcp.html Alright, on this one when I re-read it I found what I was looking for. It could be more clear, but it is there. > > 2. What is interface faith0 ? > > > > It took a ridiculous amount of searching to determine that faith0 was an > > ipv4 -> ipv6 interface. And I can find nothing about how to disable it. > > (and if you say compile a new kernel and make world, excuse me while I puke) > > > > man faith man faith returns information on what it is, with nothing at all about how to enable or disable it. -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek JRhett@Isite.Net Isite Services, Inc.
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