From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 5 03:42:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9251065673 for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 03:42:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83458FC0C for ; Sat, 5 May 2012 03:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so6258664obc.13 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 20:42:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=t0GZKRUCohrxrHFXG0SuRzacCkJwUiXfkFZ704aYVuI=; b=elp/uMdxDzqgZK6zK3WOrjcq6FoKR4T+SCpY0vaGoJtyLSsECvfr2fpCqblie9PdRJ Qa3jZZBoEhu2aJ6hYDqFnlKMtOv8jPFXrK8uCpshvDqTINaQsECYpVLBlJX/dcLUWO2v C9Jispg75s055v8ErxR4PvSiozImj3xei6RCalFX+5WrcyqnATUFAkoy9TPm3luEhLYu urLhmjRpUHnxzsJGc+gEKu0K87WN/a44dOxDm5Z9blAwUQ3g0PKebKcEeXsFzhcfeECQ TNvhG7graS6kGeTtAU692lRmgM9EwKaC5t8tozjidiZYv1zNPqkZADYn15eK8S0ZwXff BvxQ== Received: by 10.50.77.166 with SMTP id t6mr3318973igw.14.1336189344180; Fri, 04 May 2012 20:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bhuda.mired.org (74-140-201-117.dhcp.insightbb.com. [74.140.201.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id de2sm807721igc.4.2012.05.04.20.42.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 May 2012 20:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 23:42:20 -0400 From: Mike Meyer To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120504234220.5ba8141b@bhuda.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <20120504191111.153790@gmx.com> References: <20120504191111.153790@gmx.com> Organization: Meyer Consulting X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkuF//XPV+mdIVVwCY8VOq1hLdqoRxm4Z/1NxY+J6y0jo4jNx5ibbfkry+TK2V8+4jVBfNL Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 03:42:25 -0000 On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:11:10 -0400 "Dieter BSD" wrote: > *WHY* is Linux so much more popular than the BSDs? My "newsbyte" answer is: BSD is Unix for people who love quality software. Linux is Unix for people who hate Microsoft. There are a lot more of the latter than the former. Expanded, most linux distros make gaining users more important than software quality. So things are made as easy as possible for the user: you install everything by default, configure everything for them, possibly even make it hard for them to "break" things by misconfiguring something. BSD makes software quality more important than gaining users. Just look at where there effort goes! Frankly, while I'd love to see BSD be more popular, I'd rather it not happen at the expense of the software quality. This shows up in *all* the software. If I install third party software from the BSD package system, it usually shows up with the default config from the original author. Any changes are usually the result of working around BSD not being the author's development system. On Linux systems, I find that stuff comes out of the box with some non-standard default configuration designed "to make things easier". So I have to spend time figuring out what was changed, and why, and how to put it back. In some cases (like bash), it's easier to punt on the package and replace it with different software (as in: how do you *turn off* the color ls in bash on RHEL!?). http://www.mired.org/ Independent Software developer/SCM consultant, email for more information. O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org