From owner-freebsd-gnome@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 3 15:09:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3821216A4CF for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rdu74-159-108.nc.rr.com [24.74.159.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A72143FDF for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:09:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.2.1.4] (vpn-client-4.marcuscom.com [10.2.1.4]) hA3N8LuI082451; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:08:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Jens Rehsack In-Reply-To: <3FA69180.3060003@liwing.de> References: <1067879387.817.17.camel@gyros> <3FA69180.3060003@liwing.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-UeIwNtHh675redThHah9" Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. Message-Id: <1067900975.817.81.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:09:35 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on creme-brulee.marcuscom.com cc: FreeBSD GNOME Users Subject: Re: The GNOME meta-port X-BeenThere: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME for FreeBSD -- porting and maintaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 23:09:39 -0000 --=-UeIwNtHh675redThHah9 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 12:33, Jens Rehsack wrote: [My soapbox elided] > Ok, I can follow you so far, but: > I don't think the only instant-workstation could be a kde one. > Ok, I was slightly advanced to FreeBSD when I decided to install it > on my desktop, but eg. people coming from OS/2 will feel more like > home on a GNOME desktop. So an instant-gnome-workstation and a move > of instant-workstation to instant-kde-workstation is not impossible > (and would make sense, maybe). But it's on another discussion. >=20 > And greg's opinion to what's belonging to a meta-port or not > is very interesting. He didn't update his instant-server, even > squid-2.5 became the STABLE-release. >=20 > What I'm trying to say: meta-ports are fine and great for easy use, > but the users should have the chance to request changes to the > default. In the case of x11/gnome2 they had to ask the gnome > developers, 'cause the defauls came from there. But if it's a > freebsd own meta-port (as instant-workstation is), the freebsd users > should have a chance to request for changes. So, x11/gnome2 and > misc/instant-workstation aren't fair comparable. I think you'll find it as difficult to convince Greg to modify his meta-port as it would be to convince GNOME ;-). >=20 > > My point is that meta-ports are geared more toward newbies. Advanced > > users can bypass the meta-port, and install only the bits they want.=20 > > Really advanced users (or admins doing bulk installations) can build > > their own meta-ports to easy the task of reinstallation. >=20 > Maybe a message should be added to such meta-ports which says: > This is a default meta-port which is for generic use only. > If you want to customize your workstation, you should create > your own one by copying this meta-port into > ports/local/your-own-meta-port and modify whatever you want. >=20 > Ok, not in this words, but maybe this could really make sense to > a) avoid future discussions like this (because the submitter > disn't search for the right words in the archives), and > b) it's just an instruction for users which will become > more advanced of what to do. I like this idea. Perhaps this is something that should go into the FAQ as well. Are you volunteering to write something up? Joe >=20 > > Marcus >=20 > Regards, > Jens >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-gnome > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-gnome-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: marcus@FreeBSD.org gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome --=-UeIwNtHh675redThHah9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA/puAub2iPiv4Uz4cRApgpAJ4/LjSl7t60DBjYFjP6GBjmA8ufxQCePFK2 MV8OVu6x7k/g9QhcnBYMnDA= =fLqj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-UeIwNtHh675redThHah9--