From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Tue Mar 30 14:39:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5785788F2 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:39:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.kotowski@a9development.com) Received: from mail2.protonmail.ch (mail2.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F8sXb3hTMz4pbQ for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.kotowski@a9development.com) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:39:09 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=a9development.com; s=protonmail; t=1617115163; bh=gmhtwiLe2vi2qhq8PZH1+aKj2FOfG1tIBPna41a+amI=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=mNaop9hUOsfN7NZvG3GlBFGUxYjPBHUBDz+r+MiMYdUDm1ZjY5bbx1UBw53FUSbV7 i2OFJ6LwNoI6LmcIPO/Q26DEu7qrzcWDlQWGyYNTn0eS+gfDjRZHYwJVWdYLisiiD8 iUnzM5bOvEFUFBGtEPWXBiZ6BdcETxmuu1eJ6WOE= To: =?utf-8?Q?Klaus_K=C3=BCchemann?= From: Dan Kotowski Cc: Philipp Klaus Krause , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, myfreeweb Reply-To: Dan Kotowski Subject: Re: Any good alternative to Raspberry for Arm64? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74C08272-D40E-42D2-A623-CEE12C661329@googlemail.com> References: <21BE83BC-0667-44F7-83E4-1664A2BC6017@icloud.com> <74C08272-D40E-42D2-A623-CEE12C661329@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F8sXb3hTMz4pbQ X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=a9development.com header.s=protonmail header.b=mNaop9hU; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=a9development.com; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dan.kotowski@a9development.com has no SPF policy when checking 185.70.40.22) smtp.mailfrom=dan.kotowski@a9development.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.90 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dan.kotowski@a9development.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[a9development.com:s=protonmail]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[185.70.40.22:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[a9development.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[a9development.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.22:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:39:28 -0000 > > > of course , starting @~$500-$700(without accessories like RAM etc.) > > > > > > you can buy aarch64-dev-boards which completely outperform the RPI4 > > > > > > in performance and connectivity ;-) > > > > But isn't there a big risk that those exotic powerful boards might not > > > > work or not work well with FreeBSD, since few developers have them, and > > > > no one considers them important enoug to make sure releases work on the= m? > > e.g. you can ask 'the unrelenting myfreeweb-man=E2=80=98 :-) & the board-= owner Dan K. (added to CC) for the =E2=80=9Ewhat works, what doesn=E2=80= =99t=E2=80=9C- status of the LX2K =E2=80=A6 > > while I would call it less a risk then more a challenge to work with boar= ds like that(that=E2=80=99s why you would buy one). > > well=E2=80=A6 so many topics in one thread.. funny...see you later... > > Regards > > K. SolidRun's Honeycomb (HC), built around NXP's LX2K SoC, is pretty phenomena= l. Firmware still has a few changes in the works, but it's mostly cosmetic = stuff at this point and I've been happily daily-driving mine for about a mo= nth - yes, it sufficiently replaced my aging desktop built around a Core i7= -3770K! In fact, there's a handful of us using HCs as FreeBSD-13.0 desktops= now. However: * no built-in GPU, so if you want a desktop you'll need to get one of those= and that'll eat up your x8 slot * no onboard NIC drivers because they're connected via DPAA2 which we don't= have any support for and I just don't have the time or expertise to write = those myself :