From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 3 16:00:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A656D1065676 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:00:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kientzle@freebsd.org) Received: from kientzle.com (h-66-166-149-50.snvacaid.covad.net [66.166.149.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6878FC1B for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:00:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kientzle@freebsd.org) Received: from [10.0.0.128] (p54.kientzle.com [66.166.149.54]) by kientzle.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m63FNRtv050383; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kientzle@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <486CEEEF.8030808@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:23:27 -0700 From: Tim Kientzle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060422 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Holger Kipp References: <784966050807021123l267aa20en39eb513c12c90ad2@mail.gmail.com> <486BFE3B.3040509@gmail.com> <486C0928.8050607@yahoo.fr> <20080703085629.GA1590@intserv.int1.b.intern> In-Reply-To: <20080703085629.GA1590@intserv.int1.b.intern> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, jan6146@gmail.com, Curtis Penner , Antoine BRUNEL Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:00:45 -0000 Holger Kipp wrote: > > I completely 100% agree. Actually I don't see the need for a new > sysinstall. It does what it needs to do. I have seen the later > RH- and SUSE-Installer, but I don't want them. What's the use of > a graphical installer? One big problem with the current installer: The current keyboard interaction is quite mystifying to new users. I taught a FreeBSD class for a while where I watched every single person stumble just trying to figure out how to select choices in the installer menus. I don't think a graphical installer is necessarily the answer to this. Simply obeying long-established conventions for keyboard usage (ENTER selects the thing under the cursor, for instance, instead of having to TAB to the "OK" button first) would go a long ways. Tim