From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 9 17:55:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAD81065676 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@dataix.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E0E8FC25 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so12024044yen.13 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:55:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dataix.net; s=rsa; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=ZbfGi38INtoEq+ZibeDAiLUlnRk1P0qhpgrHKoLoEWI=; b=SxVKdwtaAbkeOrNkE0ga1v8Mf4XLrNtZlfuFgoYcWWDdvNXGU4Zc9fPUzlAXgwOEDg a2yO7Bgpzo1BckRwaF+q3oVRxUfYkkNjZ/V17foCpakrsCxXekIgdJRQ0vdrLa/O6ZCz N7kjTjyE0UBYIflXitIYc3bkxQ8Q58fNWX1IY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-gm-message-state; bh=ZbfGi38INtoEq+ZibeDAiLUlnRk1P0qhpgrHKoLoEWI=; b=IpMOZ3Kd+yCzRGdCYknAIcXRVOsE2RmwuQzFcu5hNix3jPc9Y2mPVTVUUdTV4R92A7 IwszZSMapVoQUiwEwax7ASlDlaobZ8SxpnziUPNKJ4LzehynUq6hthb2KfHBAb5qbH0M Fdnz6zpxoL/qgQVAmHCevIzx+dC8t4InBZM2DGpRaZnBMfNYUtmC7EAi2Zc0P2wCW09G HdaKo0BBsA453fQxsROSK9deePNduZaLYAqJicgKe26W4YxO9NdIZ70x7nClwWpDKVTm kwZhBx9/bsfnjXrIvHJyvSu8ttLMAVYlG9s2Xp8Cfva+N4ZBpBVvuFSbpkcloNiTfJEO 9viw== Received: by 10.50.34.200 with SMTP id b8mr9161064igj.50.1341856542723; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (adsl-99-112-213-189.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net. [99.112.213.189]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id zu2sm7447775igb.0.2012.07.09.10.55.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q69Htdcp056663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:55:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Received: (from jh@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q69HtdYE056662; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:55:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:55:39 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: Jos Backus Message-ID: <20120709175538.GA56437@DataIX.net> References: <89AB703D-E075-4AAC-AC1B-B358CC4E4E7F@lists.zabbadoz.net> <4FF8C3A1.9080805@FreeBSD.org> <20472.51031.308284.775990@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4FF8C890.9030408@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7174.7050604@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7980.4000707@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlBbtxK67nf9o3HIpp5NVT+lSepWKxfedc1CDiFa7zMcao+m93VYlcMhC9uXIszg9zG/Zde Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:55:44 -0000 On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 09:42:43AM -0700, Jos Backus wrote: > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Avleen Vig wrote: > > > [snip] > > > The issue is also one of barrier-to-entry. By removing `dig` and > > `host`, I think we're making things unnecessarily more difficult for > > people who don't *know* FreeBSD. `dig` and `host` a universally > > standard tools for doing DNS lookups. Taking them away in base to > > replace them with something else just seems like something that won't > > really *help* users. > > > [snip] > > One reason I'd like to see these "standard tools" be replaced with > something better is that their output sucks for use in any kind of > automation (unlike e.g. some of the the tools that ship with djbdns). > Where there is a will there is a way... usually boils down to the administrators understanding and use of system utilities to get the results they want. -- - (2^(N-1))