From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 5 17:19:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466BF16A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:19:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (cpe-024-165-114-048.cinci.rr.com [24.165.114.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F8643D4C for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:19:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i65HJkcI055819; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:19:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mrami@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by www.bluecirclesoft.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i65HJkpT055818; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:19:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mrami) From: Marc Ramirez Organization: Blue Circle Software Corp. To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, racerx@makeworld.com Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:19:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040704121112.GK43549@iconoplex.co.uk> <32837.192.168.1.238.1089022879.squirrel@Illinois.DynDNS.Org> <200407051108.08551.racerx@makeworld.com> In-Reply-To: <200407051108.08551.racerx@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200407051319.42499.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> Subject: Re: training (was Resourceful BSD/Linux Network Administrator) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:19:48 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 05 July 2004 12:08 pm, Chris wrote: > On Monday 05 July 2004 05:21 am, bja@Illinois.DynDNS.Org wrote: > > > As for learning via reading: that is fine for many -- including mysel= f. > > > But many students need the extra push by actually attending a > > > structured, hands-on class. Also classes, even running at a slow pace, > > > can cover a lot more than a student trying to self-teach themselves. > > > > I disagree here. I'm a self-taught student and I doubt any classes would > > have taught me as much as installing the system and using it day to day > > for a couple months. I eventually set up a FreeBSD and my family and I > > rely on it for just about all computer functions. > > > > Hands-on is great, but classes are not needed. > > > > Brandon Adams > > I agree 100% here. Nothing, I mean nothing can prepare you for real-life > then setting up your own servers, then breaking them every way you can > think of just to fix the issues. > > You can't learn that in a classroom. Classrooms are not a substitute for experience. =20 However, don't forget the original author's point that _for many students_= =20 they need the class. And, yes, they don't strictly _need_ the class, but=20 there are a large variety of reasons that they need someone to be there wit= h=20 them while learning. I would venture that with the historical preponderance= =20 of trade guilds, master/apprentice relationships, centers of education, etc= =2E,=20 that the a large part of the population falls into this category. Without that, you will have an elitist club whose members just happen to ha= ve =20 already acquired the ability to understand the basic concepts. =2D --=20 Marc Ramirez Blue Circle Software Corporation 513-688-1070 (main) 513-382-1270 (direct) http://www.bluecirclesoft.com http://www.mrami.com (personal) =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFA6Y2sg1EgpGw750IRAj8nAKCbKHuKzDSe3ZR9NhEhObs3nIYE2wCfT5YH IAElrmcnCk90ou74a8M/eGE=3D =3Dr8AV =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE-----