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Date:      Sat, 2 Apr 2022 14:04:21 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de>
Cc:        FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD 13.1-RC1 Now Available
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On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 2:01 PM Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de>
wrote:

> Warner Losh:
>
> > This suggests that we've broken the KBI we were trying to keep stable
> > between 13.0
> > and 13.1....
>
> When I updated my stable/13 machine from source, from
> March 16 to March 30, DRM was broken (did nothing).
> Rebuilding graphics/drm-fbsd13-kmod fixed it.
>
> So there was an ABI break in this time window.  This entry from
> UPDATING implicates LinuxKPI changes as a likely candidate:
>
> 20220327:
>         Bump __FreeBSD_verion to 1301501 after merging LinuxKPI and
>         net80211 changes in order to help out-of-tree consumers to deal
>         accordingly.
>

Yes. So there was. https://reviews.freebsd.org/D33915 should unbreak the
KPI and give us wiggle room in the future after 13.0 is no longer
supported. That will restore the KBI and we'll pretend that March 27 -
April 2nd/3rd never happened (the least bad of several bad alternatives).

Warner

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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 2:01 PM Christian Weisgerber &lt;<a href="mailto:naddy@mips.inka.de">naddy@mips.inka.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Warner Losh:<br>
<br>
&gt; This suggests that we&#39;ve broken the KBI we were trying to keep stable<br>
&gt; between 13.0<br>
&gt; and 13.1....<br>
<br>
When I updated my stable/13 machine from source, from<br>
March 16 to March 30, DRM was broken (did nothing).<br>
Rebuilding graphics/drm-fbsd13-kmod fixed it.<br>
<br>
So there was an ABI break in this time window.  This entry from<br>
UPDATING implicates LinuxKPI changes as a likely candidate:<br>
<br>
20220327:<br>
        Bump __FreeBSD_verion to 1301501 after merging LinuxKPI and<br>
        net80211 changes in order to help out-of-tree consumers to deal<br>
        accordingly.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes. So there was. <a href="https://reviews.freebsd.org/D33915">https://reviews.freebsd.org/D33915</a>; should unbreak the KPI and give us wiggle room in the future after 13.0 is no longer supported. That will restore the KBI and we&#39;ll pretend that March 27 - April 2nd/3rd never happened (the least bad of several bad alternatives).</div><div><br></div><div>Warner</div></div></div>
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