From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 9 7: 9:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.the-i-pa.com (mail.the-i-pa.com [151.201.71.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A62737B406 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmoran@iowna.com) Received: (qmail 11962 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2001 14:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iowna.com) (151.201.71.193) by mail.the-i-pa.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2001 14:18:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3B49BA2E.250BAA9C@iowna.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 10:05:34 -0400 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lamont Granquist Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JFS References: <20010708170105.X612-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lamont Granquist wrote: > If you want to get all offended that less technical people in an > organization are using non-free/non-unix products, then I strongly suggest > that you start working on Gnome or KDE or desktop applications to make it > so that less technically skilled people can sit down in front of a Linux > or FreeBSD computer and get work done without having to fight with the UI > at all. I can tell you from recent experience (setting up a desktop > freebsd install for our director of software engineering a week or two > ago) that right now that Linux/FreeBSD/Gnome/KDE/etc simply fails at this. This is interesting ... while I agree with your comments about accepting other OSes in the workplace, I'm rather surprised by the last comments. First off, I find the GUIs available for Freenix to be much nicer than the Windows variants. That might just be me, though. I think it has a lot to do with what you're used to. If you've been using Windows your whole life, any change is upsetting. Secondly, I still find it strange that the attitude is "make the system so simple that any idiot can use it" instead of "take a few hours to train the guy on the system he's using" In my experience, no matter how "simple" (being a matter of opinion) the system is, an uneducated user will still have/cause problems. Whereas an even slightly trained user can usually find his way successfully around more complicated systems. My $.02 again. -Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message