From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 23 14:54:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B363337B401 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from olmec.nighttide.net (jasper.nighttide.net [207.5.141.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A79D43F75 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:54:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darren@nighttide.net) Received: from olmec.nighttide.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olmec.nighttide.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1NMsVC9045159 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:54:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from darren@nighttide.net) Received: from localhost (darren@localhost) by olmec.nighttide.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h1NMsVV6045156 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:54:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from darren@nighttide.net) X-Authentication-Warning: olmec.nighttide.net: darren owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:54:31 -0500 (EST) From: Darren Henderson To: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: was this really necessary? [ was Re: The FreeBSD Jive Copyright ] In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030223150804.019c87f0@threespace.com> Message-ID: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030223123659.01965b20@threespace.com> <00bc01c2d93e$452d1f60$0502000a@sentinel> <4.3.2.7.2.20030221181620.01b7ded8@threespace.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20030223123659.01965b20@threespace.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20030223150804.019c87f0@threespace.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Chip Morton wrote: > This is not true. "Jive" was originally a form of swing-out style dancing > that originated around the turn of the century and became immensely popular In the context of the filter in questions it was a 70's and early 80's fashion. I am aware of the origins of the word "jive" in the historical context of jazz - it doesn't apply to this situation. > The re-emergence of the term in the 70's in many black sitcoms (e.g., "Good > Times" and "The Jeffersons") only helped to solidify that association. But > the term existed long before hippies and beatniks to be sure. The term but not the dialect - and that was the issue I was addressing. Words usually have differning meanings over time and distance - this is paticularly true of english. The implied assertion that use of a dialect implies deeper and darker intentions. The use of "jive" as dialect is no more inherently offensive then is the use of a Maine brogue, a Georgia drawl, or a Cockney rhyme. Context and intent mean everyting. I personally find it frightening that such inherently chilling beliefs may be more widely held. ______________________________________________________________________ Darren Henderson darren@nighttide.net Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message