From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 23 17:11:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F767106564A for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:11:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rpaulo@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88B88FC0C for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 22so384367eye.7 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:11:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=w8dRWnsziCCTuzsLo5hWxg6QgEvusALDtyKXsMxrB40=; b=h8g1Uk0oXZW1Y9nVk+jtGIQGq0T/r3mVmmE8tZ7b5Y+CRoOnHqL6U+RI37qWUqIkNw KcyJh7sKejgYuTcFVAoUn9N8XkwoZ1z54hMNyB40Ti1kYbarw/Fen+XbzSAuqm8pVRLC dP3V/XdaNQMjIV04NGtiJt9IreXi5s+qmO2+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=o9Y1CoZYKkiwq1+pDaOrk0PTPvfHHxdBiQyQW2Pyt0rtqIMtoKJiqzywoRvaELlHUr yN2NwJvoAhRPU+OYSI7mW4yDpoXKaR8hw4ZjNfWFwRO2Than0ncN0tx11VQzidLlrkN2 LA2lDo6gNKDEySEQHUQI4uU9Zc01W7LEijmUA= Received: by 10.210.140.18 with SMTP id n18mr3806741ebd.13.1251047474867; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bl6-144-173.dsl.telepac.pt [82.155.144.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm6962409eyd.14.2009.08.23.10.11.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Rui Paulo Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:11:12 +0100 From: Rui Paulo To: Marc Balmer Message-ID: <20090823171112.GB2390@mac-mini.lan> References: <6101e8c40908211917k69c82491w3cff00a527d14873@mail.gmail.com> <19e9a5dc0908212303j28a6913er604bfd06e7df81ec@mail.gmail.com> <2DC22872-96F5-4C0A-82E4-F9755A10E245@msys.ch> <20090822182923.000064e0@unknown> <20090823170849.00000fdb@unknown> <7306B4ED-D9AF-4946-9FCE-BD1CE7685AC2@msys.ch> <20090823182454.00006387@unknown> <843B14C2-D6D0-4910-B1B4-C7A8CB37635D@msys.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <843B14C2-D6D0-4910-B1B4-C7A8CB37635D@msys.ch> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Alexander Leidinger , Oliver Pinter , Gonzalo Nemmi , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, =?iso-8859-1?B?IkF1culsaWVuIE3pcuki?= Subject: Re: Common interface for sensors/health monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:11:16 -0000 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 06:38:12PM +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: > Everyone should have the right to come back with a subject, if work > is put into it. Or is the stanza that once there has been a heated > discussion about a topic, there is no possibility to come back to > it, maybe making it better a seccond time? And no, I have no plans > to do so... I am just a bit astonished about the attitude... I think what Alexander was trying to say was that, given the heated discussion last time, people are now reluctant to restart another discussion. From what I remember, it was very hard to understand why such a large number of messages was being created for such a small detail. Topics, such as these, pose a high risk of making your FreeBSD developer experience more painful than it should be. And since I believe a lot of people here like to work on FreeBSD, sometimes these types of discussions are avoided for a long time just because the developer(s) doesn't(don't) want to make their FreeBSD development experience any more painful. I believe that if we keep insisting on the same bikesheds for a long time, developers will defintely go away. So, there's no ``stanza'' or whatever, just human nature. Regardless of what I just said, the topic keeps coming back and that's a clear sign that a framework should be developed and, possibly, in a way that appeals to both parties. -- Rui Paulo