From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 8 03:17:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C74106566B; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 03:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD638FC0A; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 03:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id p27IiWgd014891; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:44:34 -0800 Received: from dm0224.mta.everyone.net (lb009-10-float.sj2.proofpoint.com [172.16.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net with ESMTP id uw4rd03a5-1; Mon, 07 Mar 2011 10:44:34 -0800 X-Eon-Dm: dm0224 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - cde8da43) id dm0224.4d750fd7.e366; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:44:33 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQNtR3BNdSeRXaF87AIAAAAC,5cc316cd0c6c3c855b03d8455f213c4d Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:44:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:44:05 -0600 (CST) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.basicisp.net To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Sender: X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1103070091 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HAL must die! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 03:17:08 -0000 On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Ivan Voras wrote: > On 06/03/2011 19:56, Lars Eighner wrote: >> Using the -C switch with portupgrade, I am managing to turn WITH_HAL off in >> ports that I install or upgrade. Is there a way to make this a global >> default? >> >> Is there a (convenient) way to list ports that might pull in HAL without >> having a configuration switch? > > Um, why exactly are so many people against HAL? It breaks my mouse and keyboard. I assume it would break other stuff if I had esoteric devices. It was born broken, and although there have been about a half-dozen announced fixes, it always reverts to being broken in pretty much the same way. When I eliminate HAL and everything that depends on it, everything works. It is just this simple: with HAL = nothing works without HAL = everything works > It's the only cross-platform thing available for non-Linux systems which > handles device enumeration, hotplugs, etc. > I'm not running a cross-platform. I'm running FreeBSD. There were native FreeBSD solutions to hotplugging the devices I use before HAL. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266