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Date:      Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:44:05 -0600 (CST)
From:      Lars Eighner <luvbeastie@larseighner.com>
To:        Ivan Voras <ivoras@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: HAL must die!
Message-ID:  <alpine.BSF.2.00.1103071048200.903@abbf.onfvpvfc.arg>
In-Reply-To: <il2qar$ka1$1@dough.gmane.org>
References:  <alpine.BSF.2.00.1103061251530.95312@abbf.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <il2qar$ka1$1@dough.gmane.org>

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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Ivan Voras wrote:

> On 06/03/2011 19:56, Lars Eighner wrote:
>> Using the -C switch with portupgrade, I am managing to turn WITH_HAL off in
>> ports that I install or upgrade. Is there a way to make this a global
>> default?
>> 
>> Is there a (convenient) way to list ports that might pull in HAL without
>> having a configuration switch?
>
> Um, why exactly are so many people against HAL?

It breaks my mouse and keyboard.  I assume it would break other stuff if I
had esoteric devices.

It was born broken, and although there have been about a half-dozen
announced fixes, it always reverts to being broken in pretty much the
same way.

When I eliminate HAL and everything that depends on it, everything works.

It is just this simple:

with HAL = nothing works
without HAL = everything works

> It's the only cross-platform thing available for non-Linux systems which
> handles device enumeration, hotplugs, etc.
>

I'm not running a cross-platform.  I'm running FreeBSD.  There were native
FreeBSD solutions to hotplugging the devices I use before HAL.


-- 
Lars Eighner
http://www.larseighner.com/index.html
8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266




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