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Date:      Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:23:37 +0200
From:      Achilleas Mantzios <achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com>
To:        freebsd-java@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: open jdk7 marked "FORBIDDEN"
Message-ID:  <52CBB989.4090104@matrix.gatewaynet.com>
In-Reply-To: <52C7E24A.6010902@FreeBSD.org>
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On 04/01/2014 12:28, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 04/01/2014 01:23, ari wrote:
>>> The 'nasty FreeBSD bug' is that running the latest OpenJDK 6 or 7 will
>>> cause pretty much all version of FreeBSD back to 8.0 to instantly
>>> reboot.  This is actually a FreeBSD kernel bug.
>>> Watch the freebsd-announce@... list -- there will be at least an Errata
>>> notice for all supported releases.
>>
>> I understand the desire to protect people from bad effects, but this lockout
>> of every Java port (since everything pretty much depends on openjdk) is
>> quite extreme. Can we please have some more information about:
>>
>> * the nature of the bug
>> * how far back do we have to revert openjdk7 to avoid the problem
>>
>> I've got a huge reliance on Java on production servers and this makes me
>> very nervous. I also had planned an upgrade from FreeBSD 9.0 to 9.2 on a
>> server today and this can't go ahead since I cannot install an updated
>> openjdk.
>>
>> If this is an obscure bug which is in all versions of the openjdk against
>> all versions of freebsd, could someone please revert the FORBIDDEN flag on
>> these ports, since its only effect is to:
>>
>> * make users believe that FreeBSD is not a good platform for Java
>> * stop users from upgrading from any previous versions of Java, or otherwise
>> update systems
>>
>> If this is a serious problem only in the latest version of Java (eg.
>> 1.7.0_45) then can we revert the port to a known working version?
>>
>>
>> At any rate, more information would be great since I've already got 1.7.0_45
>> in production on a couple of machines and I need to know what to look out
>> for.
> Yes, certainly.  The important point here is that the bug is in certain
> FreeBSD versions, not in Java.
>
> If you've got a java package that runs without causing the system to
> panic then there's no reason not to carry on using it.
>
> The symptoms of the bug are that the OS will panic whenever one of the
> latest versions of OpenJDK is run on a susceptible version of the OS.
> If your machine can /build/ the latest OpenJDK without panicing (which
> involves extensive use of Java to compile itself) then you're OK to
> deploy that version to run your web applications or whatever (subject to
> the usual sorts of testing you'ld do around updating any core component
> of the business that provides your paychecks, of course).
>
> OpenJDK 7.45.18 or 7.45.18_1 would trigger the bug in susceptible
> FreeBSD systems.  7.25.15_2 or earlier should be safe.
>
> FreeBSD 11-CURRENT (r259951), 10-STABLE (r260081), 10.0-RELEASE-rc4
> (r260122) and 9-STABLE (r260082) have been patched.  Neither 8-STABLE
> nor any of the supported 9.x- or 8.x-RELEASE branches have been patched
> yet. As I said, the -RELEASE branches would be listed in an errata
> notice or security advisory when a patch was applied.
>
> Disclaimer: this is just based on what I have been able to gather from
> public mailing lists, my own experiences trying to build package sets
> including OpenJDK and by spelunking through the SVN repository via
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/  It does not represent the official
> position of the FreeBSD project.

Thanx a lot for the clarifications Matthew!

> 	Cheers,
>
> 	Matthew
>


-- 
Achilleas Mantzios




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