From owner-cvs-all Mon Dec 14 01:38:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02732 for cvs-all-outgoing; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:38:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02725; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:38:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (IDENT:M27MFYv923AvTafRtlttH7NFwlCURPl1@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28618; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:38:21 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:4qGh6Z34sEsBDe73TPr+cRClqtKzzKVX@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA62283; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:38:20 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199812140938.LAA62283@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Blaz Zupan cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile In-Reply-To: Your message of " Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:33:00 +0100." References: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:38:19 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Blaz Zupan wrote: > > Easy for you to read. Nobody has the time-and-energy to MAINTAIN it!! > > I was expecting a reply like this. But consider this: every time someones > "make world" blows up, someone replies to his call for help on the > -current mailing list. The first time something like this happens, instead > of replying, one could add the instructions to this README file instead, > and point the clueless newbie to it. That requires committer privelige. Committers are (seem to be) getting tired of supporting "clueless newbies" when they should not be running Current in the first place. (Perception gained by the minority of committers who actually answer question after some time). > And if you argue that there's no time and energy to maintain it, where is > the time and energy to maintain a "make check-etc" target in the makefile, > which I believe would be more work than a simple README file? You forgot to include the patches for this. ;-) Everybody works on their own projects and their own interests. If you can kick someone into being interested in your project, you are lucky. I also believe that you can only do this once per-committer (perhaps) ;-). > I can offer my help with maintaing this file. Give me a couple of days to > browse through the mailing list archive and try to remember all the > -recent (and old) pitfalls that we have in the tree. Brilliant! Stick it up on a web-page, and maintain it, and your praises will be sung :-) :-). > And we could also add a message which gets printed when you start a make > world: > > "Please read the README.FIRST file, or you make world _will_ blow up." Your patches will be appreciated. :-) M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message