From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Nov 25 16:28:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADAADEA477; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 16:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [192.108.105.60]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70FBD6525E; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 16:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (bones.soaustin.net [192.108.105.22]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 00412D37; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 10:28:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 10:28:14 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: Adrian Chadd , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) Message-ID: <20171125162814.GA9954@lonesome.com> References: <201711251154.vAPBsXMX085057@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201711251154.vAPBsXMX085057@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 16:42:15 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 16:28:23 -0000 On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 12:54:33PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Contentious commits forced through before discussion, should by > policy be automatically reverted, committers bit suspended That is not FreeBSD's policy. AFAIK that has never been FreeBSD's policy. If it ever does become FreeBSD's policy, I will be (one of many, I assume) out the door. Look: AFAICT the only project that is ever going to suit you is one you run yourself. Then you can make all the rules. There are other BSDs that run on that model. I remain here, despite frustrations, *because* FreeBSD doesn't run on that model. Does it run well? No: there are human beings involved, so QED. But it runs better than what it would run by your demands. tl:dr; if you want to work with people (on this project or any other), work with them, don't attack. It's self-defeating. mcl