From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 20:32:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A92106566C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:32:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E768FC14 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:32:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=LP84usz3bIZ9nwWzMhbE5R5Wfmld/edLH2NLrtOo0Vs=; b=m4yGAw0XHBg8TB5i/vBQcqfH0KyonlCkGha1O5DY/ENJfLLlCK8/mUrCPjkqOGvcJMWdL1XYBT78tPOfeccyf4rYurSfc1uoh34h2zIG5JmcSMqsopaKMydsgc+u6w0i; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1RnFi9-000OH2-H0 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:32:54 -0600 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1326832367-88972-88971/5/22; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:32:47 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <1326756727.23485.10.camel@Arawn> <4F14BAA7.9070707@freebsd.org> <20120117010239.GA29529@richh-imac.office.boxdice.com.au> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:32:47 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.61 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:32:55 -0000 On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:30:20 -0600, Atom Smasher wrote: > linux is, in fact, an operating system. > debian, red hat, ubuntu, gentoo, etc are distributions of that OS. It's not really worth getting into this argument, but I'll reiterate that no, it's not an OS -- it's a kernel. Without the userland utilities the distros provide it's not very usable. Linus and co don't maintain the shell or the rc subsystem or anything like that. They only work on the kernel and in-tree drivers. We need to be comparing FreeBSD to a full blown distro. Cheers