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Date:      Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:19:49 -0700
From:      Joe Kelsey <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us>
To:        stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   6.3-RELEASE versus 5.2-RELEASE
Message-ID:  <484CD995.3040002@zircon.seattle.wa.us>

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I think I have finally decoded Jo Rhett's issue.  It is very hard to 
decipher because the poster refuses to exactly identify their problem.

The entire problem comes down to the definition of -RELEASE.  Jo 
apparantly feels that they can ONLY run -RELEASE branded code at their 
workplace.  That means that they cannot run any form of -STABLE.  
Therefore, they can only ever run 6.3-RELEASE and then only if no bugs 
were fixed after the official branding of 6.3-RELEASE.

I cannot speak at all about the branding of 6.3-RELEASE.  I run 
7.0-STABLE here.  What Jo seems to thik is that a certain sequence of 
events occurred during the 6.3-RELEASE branding.  6.3-RELEASE was marked 
in the tree.  Sometime after this marking event occurred, bugs were 
ientified and subsequently fixed in the -STABLE branch.  These bugs have 
been identified by Jo as SHOWSTOPPER bugs which will prevent him from 
ever using 6.3-RELEASE, since by their definition, they can only ever 
use the exact thing identified by the cvs tag of 6.3-RELEASE.

Therefore, by Jo's definition, they can never run 6.3-anything at their 
shop and are forced to wait for 6.4-RELEASE, whenever that happens.  
Therefore, they must take on the onerous duty of examining all security 
fixes target for 6.3 and redo them for 6.2.

Basically, they do not wish to do this and protest the EoL status given 
to 6.2 because they are physically prevented from using 6.3.  They 
refuse to even try to identify whether or not 6.3-RELEASE actually has 
any bugs that affect them, they just assume that the presence of bugs 
fixed AFTER the tagging of 6.3-RELEASE in cvs certifies their inability 
to use the actual 6.3-RELEASE code, since they can apparantly only run 
binary releases direct from FreeBSD and cannot "roll their own" for some 
unknown reason.  They are also, apparantly, prohibited from testing any 
code locally due to some unknowable reason.

Can anyone verify that some number of bugs related to either  a) 
gmirror, b) bge and/or c)twe were fixed after the release of 6.3?  That 
is as far as I can tell the reason that Jo objets to EoL of 6.2, the 
fact that 6.3 is unusable due to these late-fixed bugs.

/Joe




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