From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 28 13: 1:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B912437BE3F for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:01:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA48214; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:01:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:01:40 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Ron Rosson Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Onboard Intel NIC Message-ID: <20000328130140.A95709@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <20000327152840.A8310@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <38E04C8F.3213BC43@softweyr.com> <20000328071857.A21087@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000328071857.A21087@lunatic.oneinsane.net>; from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net on Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 07:18:57AM -0800 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 07:18:57AM -0800, Ron Rosson wrote: > On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Wes Peters was heard blurting out: > > > Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote: > > > > > > Ummm.... This is getting a little old. I am no programmer but read this > > > list to get insight on what things may not work or what might work.. It > > > has saved my BACKSIDE many times. I am also a user of ETinc hardware and > > > am aware of Dennis. I am also like I said someone who does not code. So > > > go FIX IT yourself attitude gets kinda old. It happens on #FreeBSD on > > > efnet all too much. > > > > So you agree that you and Dennis have some legal and/or moral ground to > > stand on in DEMANDING that I and others donate our own personal time to > > you for free, simply because you're incapable of fixing something your- > > self? > > > > This argument has NOT been about whether the fxp driver needs to be fixed, > > but rather whether Dennis or anyone can DEMAND time from FreeBSD developers > > as opposed to asking them politely or proposing some remuneration so they > > can afford to dedicate time to an individual problem. > > > > I think my stance on this is pretty clear, but just in case you haven't > > gotten the message, those of you who think you have some RIGHT to DEMAND > > my time can stuff it. > > > > I guess my wording was off a little. I guess the point I was tring to > make was missed. > > It is the go fix it yourself attitude I guess that gets me sometimes in > both the mailing lists and IRC. There is some people in the user base > that can not code but are able to find issues on there systems and would > like to share them with either of the forums mentioned. I guess the > better answer than the "Go fix it yourself" would be "Please submit a > PR". This way both the project and the party involved can track the > progress. As someone who usual not codes, but helps finding issues. This is my personal opinion from reading through this thread: Dennis got told fix it yourself, after he has not provided any help in getting down to the issue. I haven't seen in one of his email what exact chip on what exact motherboard doesn't work. He also grossly overstated the amount of people being affected by it. > > TIA > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... > The InSaNe One rm -rf * > insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Voice on telephone to man seated at his computer: > Thank you for calling the tech support hotline. If your computer > becomes obsolete while you're holding, press 1 to reach our sales > department. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message