From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Tue Jan 8 22:26:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49B3148D5EA for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 22:26:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from puchar.net (puchar.net [194.1.144.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "puchar.net", Issuer "puchar.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 902CC83E0E for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 22:25:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x08MPWbH017674 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Jan 2019 23:25:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from localhost (puchar-wojtek@localhost) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x08MPRh8017671; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 23:25:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 23:25:26 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Arnoldas Skinderis cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <451787DE-0659-4F7D-B011-904F90866DDB@gmail.com> <20190107120629.GU40894@e.0x20.net> <20190107123519.GV40894@e.0x20.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 902CC83E0E X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wojtek@puchar.net designates 194.1.144.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wojtek@puchar.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.66 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[puchar.net]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: puchar.net]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.144.1.194.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.77)[-0.768,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.58)[ip: (-9.44), ipnet: 194.1.144.0/24(-4.72), asn: 43476(-3.78), country: PL(0.03)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[outlook.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:43476, ipnet:194.1.144.0/24, country:PL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:26:13 -0000 >> >> and even more important - stop introducing new bugs by adding this toys. > > Hello. I am testing FreeBSD instances with long term view exactly > because of "toys" in linux. for those who think FreeBSD should be more like linux (or whatever). Take linux for example. 15-20 years ago or so there was great pressure on linux to be windows competition. X11 which was already quite bloated to start with (but anyway working and quite logic) was the base on which "desktop environment" started to be created. Then X11/Xorg itself got "improved" which resulted in nonsense. Now for example X over network is almost unusable because instead of X server doing things - lots of libraries took it's job putting whole bitmaps as a result. What is final result - those who want windows like product choose... windows. Which is logical. Linux penetration on "desktop" market is zero+small measurement error. Linux is only popular in server environment. Why not FreeBSD? Because linux got more marketing. If FreeBSD will go being "more like linux" then people will get away from it. Those who want to have system "more like linux" already uses linux. Those who not will stop using FreeBSD. Same was some years ago with NetBSD. And what will remain? DragonflyBSD? For how long. We will see. Sad smart people here cannot understand basic logic, and get overhelmed with common marketing.