From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Oct 22 02:59:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5899A1B72B for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 02:59:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78B221922 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 02:59:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-13-119.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.13.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3DAC276FF; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 04:52:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t9M2qsqV002104; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 04:52:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 04:52:54 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matt Smith Cc: Julien Cigar , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Message-Id: <20151022045254.57c5c8d0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20151021152015.GF90075@xtaz.uk> References: <867fmh12nq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86pp081glq.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20151021143525.GX87605@mordor.lan> <20151021152015.GF90075@xtaz.uk> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 02:59:52 -0000 On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:20:15 +0100, Matt Smith wrote: > On Oct 21 16:35, Julien Cigar wrote: > >The main advantage of SU+J over SU is to avoid a fsck at boot if the FS > >is not clean. Note that SU+J almost never worked for me and disabling > >SU+J (tunefs -j disable) is the first thing I do after an installation. > > Agreed. I don't understand why this mode has been made the default. SU > always works fine for me but SU+J always causes corrupted filesystems > which it never bothers to fix either in the background or the > foreground. I have to disable the journal and manually fsck it to get a > clean filesystem once again. Seems completely flawed. Same here. Even if a background fsck is being run, the file system still kept some corruptions and would not be marked clean, so the same thing repeated at next boot. A forced full foreground fsck (!) would sometimes fix it, sometimes two (!) runs were needed. By switching off J things went back to normal again. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...