From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Jan 22 14: 0:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532D437B405 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E09043F3F for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:00:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0MM0JMW030369; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0MM0TEx008032; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:00:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0MM0TVR008031; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:00:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:00:29 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Nicolas Souchu Cc: Doug Rabson , "Pedro F. Giffuni" , arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the mythical syscons redesign document ( was Re: Porting wscons ) Message-ID: <20030122220029.GD590@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030122010246.52789.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> <1043236066.28124.6.camel@builder02.qubesoft.com> <20030122223626.B8449@armor.fastether> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030122223626.B8449@armor.fastether> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:36:26PM +0100, Nicolas Souchu wrote: > > > > The main sticking point for this stuff is that console is needed before > > the device tree is probed. > > The approach of KGI is to provide a very basic/minimal driver for console boot > that can be overlaped later by fully probed graphic board drivers. This is > somehow how VGA adapter is organized, with the video_switch used immediatly > and later the vga_isa.c glue-code for newbus full attachement. This is what makes it non-portable and why we have problems getting it to work in non-PC, non-ISA environments. > But I prefer the solution of the minimal driver with included text rendering > if needed. Booting a notebook in text mode looks ugly and I can imagine that early boot environments can be graphical as well. I prefer not to fixate on text-only video modes for the low-level console, even though we probably won't use it for anything but text. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message