From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 08:09:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C4516A4CF for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:09:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A83643D6D for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:09:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from robdem@worldnet.att.net) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:09:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Comment: Sending client does not conform to RFC822 minimum requirements X-Comment: Date has been added by Maillennium Received: from robdem@worldnet.att.net (129.washington-42rh15-16rt.dc.dial-access.att.net[12.77.64.129]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <200502100807451120025i4ue>; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:08:03 +0000 From: "Rob D." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AD5@mvaexch01.acuson.com> Message-Id: <20050210080928.7A83643D6D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:55:40 +0000 cc: Johnson David Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:09:35 -0000 On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 01:41:29PM -0800, Johnson David wrote: > From: stheg olloydson [mailto:stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com] > > > > Now as to the "need" to change the logo, to quote the announcement, > > "This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the > > religious and cultural context." Over the years, the only complaints I > > have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the > > question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make > > any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for > > complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy > > on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier > > between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic > > country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from > > an irrational minority that should be ignored. > > Please keep your personal politics and cultural bigotry off of these lists. > There is no "America's Taliban", and the use of the term is used solely to > incite emotions. Thinking that just because people share you views on > operating systems they must also share you views on religion and foreign > policy is sheer hubris. > > I realize that geeks and hackers tend to be irreligious, and Open Source a > collection of global communities, but not until today have I seen such > anti-Christian and anti-America bigotry in the FreeBSD community. Is this to > be the new standard of discourse? If so, tell me now so I can avoid the rush > in switching to another BSD. > > As a Christian I am not in the least offended by Beastie. But I am getting > quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture. > > David Johnson As a non-Christian, all I have to say to David is "right on." I also like Beastie, and would be greatly annoyed if FreeBSD got rid of it. Political correctness sucks -- whatever side of the political spectrum it comes from. However, so-called "free thinkers" who bravely equate George Bush to Iranian mullahs and believe people who have a problem with ripping the heads off of nine-month fetuses are no different than the freaking Taliban are the same idiots who buy into Michael Moore's conspiracy theories, idolize the mass murderer Che Guevara, and think the CIA "assassinated" reggae singers because America was about to chill out too much. And, oh yes, I am also a Maryland Republican living in painfully liberal Montgomery County, where our great progressive government leaders, unlike the Talibanesque John Ashcroft, have banned smoking in bars, not to mention a flurry of others pieces of legislation that regulate people's private lives. And let's not forget, Stheg, that leftist European governments are not known for their great libertarian restraint. The anti-terrorism laws of many European nationsthink France, maybe Holland soon enough) make the Patriot Act look like something out of Mayberry. Know thyselves, hypocrites. Fundies aren't the only ones that need to mind their own business. Did I mention I like Beastie?) Rob.