From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 16 16:12:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2F1106568D for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CCD8FC0C for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAGGCGfE091419; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id nAGGCGEL091416; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:12:16 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Jerry In-Reply-To: <20091116063842.27411cd8@scorpio.seibercom.net> Message-ID: References: <42052.1258327169@tristatelogic.com> <4B009370.1040002@otenet.gr> <20091116010630.0b8f498a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4B009B08.3070507@otenet.gr> <20091116014149.f7d6eafd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091116063842.27411cd8@scorpio.seibercom.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:12:16 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Trivial questions about CNTL-ALT-DEL and CNTL-ALT-BACKSPACE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:12:17 -0000 On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:18:36 -0700 (MST) > Warren Block replied: >> It's also worth remembering that open source projects like xorg give >> the users the rare privilege of being able to make a difference. Test >> code, provide hardware, document bugs or fixes, do or fund development. > > If that were true, it might be worth noting. Unfortunately, it rarely > works like that. I recently started using a Logitech wireless > mouse/keyboard. Of course the mouse did not work in "X", although it > performed fine outside of "X". After investing valuable time in > Googling for a solution, I ended up editing files for HAL and adding > > Section "ServerFlags" > Option "AllowEmptyInput" "OFF" > EndSection > > to the 'xorg.conf' file. It appears the thread has mutated from "it's unpleasant when X changes" to "why doesn't xorg support my hardware?" Which are at opposite ends of the spectrum. > > Honestly, that is not acceptable. Evidently no one has been in the position to fix the problem. The opportunity is there, as I was saying above. Certainly there have been reports of problems with wireless keyboard/mouse of several brands; maybe a slightly different protocol with the wireless versions. Whether the problem is with hal or xorg-server or the keyboard and mouse drivers or USB or some interaction, I don't know. You have the hardware; how about doing some research to help improve this? Just knowing what causes the problem would be a long way towards a real solution. > On every Windows and MAC system I tested, the combo works without this > garbage. It just works. No drivers to install, unless I want the > extended capabilities of the keyboard/mouse. Why does it have to be so > freak-in difficult here. Because the number of people using xorg are so small in relation to Windows and OS X. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA