From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 27 00:04:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA12607 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 00:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA12471 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 00:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA02176; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:03:36 +0200 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:03:36 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Christoph Kukulies cc: Sean Kelly , kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win32 (was:Re: Go SCSI! Big improvement...) In-Reply-To: <199602261704.SAA01438@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> "Christoph" == Christoph Kukulies writes: > > > > Christoph> Tcl/Tk has a lot of rough edges. Partially looks ugly > > Christoph> (too broad borders, ugly shades and colors - ok, you > > Christoph> may argue it is customizable). > > > > That's nothing but opinion and doesn't drive the argument. See: I > > think Tcl/Tk looks really nice. And what's so ugly about gray? Hey, > > some of my carpet is gray and my hair'll turn gray some day, too! > > > > Christoph> Show me a good file selector box in Tcl/Tk or a tree > > Christoph> view. Text selection sucks imho. > > > > I'll grant you the file selector, but the text selection? Nope, > > 'fraid not. > > Maybe I'm wrong but last time I used a text selection in a Tcl/Tk app > it didn't behave a la Mac/Smalltalk/Windows - CTRLC-C, CTRL-X, CTRL-V, > Auto replace when selected so you can type into a selection, > selected region appears as 3D-shaded stripes instead of a whole block. Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, Ctrl-V ? They aren't actually Windows default - some programs use them and some don't. Smalltalk? I think I saw somewhere smalltalk for FreeBSD. Text selection? It is like that until someone pulls himself together and writes another, alternative widget - it's actually much easier with X/TclTk than doing it under Windows (try it out if you don't believe me). And it won't be slow any more if you change some of it into C... > > > Works just fine. Looks real nice, too. :-) > > Nice, maybe for someone who comes from an alphanumerical world and never > saw other GUIs before. You would also declare Motif style GUI > as sufficiently nice, do you? Actually it is sufficient to do the > job but that's it. > > OK, these may be my opinions but I think others my come to similar > conclusions. Tcl/Tk isn't something that knocks you off your socks, > same is Motif. I played with tkWM - pleppedeplepp. Where is an IDE > (Integrated development environment)? I doubt that Tcl/Tk > would develop as the incending force to produce myriads of applications > in a manner Win32 does. Spend a day with a Win32/MSVC++ programmer. > You would want to have this under Unix. > Not convinced: 1) Win32 is a API, *not a language or a program development tool*. 2) Visual programming and microsoft, visual programming and Win32, visual programming and windows are not the same things - (as Windows95 and multimedia are not the same things) you can do as well (at least) with other tools. > -provoke mode off :-) > > > > -- > > Sean Kelly > > NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory, Boulder Colorado USA > > > > TASK: Shoot yourself in the foot. In HyperTalk: Put the first bullet > > of gun into foot left of leg of you. Answer the result. > > > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de >