From nobody Mon Jul 20 10:29:59 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4h3cGh347fz6lkBX for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 10:30:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee) Received: from mail.ketas.si.pri.ee (d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee [IPv6:2001:7d0:8437:13e8:21e:bff:fea2:d004]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4h3cGf2jVxz49kK for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 10:30:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ketas.si.pri.ee header.s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096 header.b=g7vVD0Gs; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee designates 2001:7d0:8437:13e8:21e:bff:fea2:d004 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=ketas.si.pri.ee X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ketas.si.pri.ee; s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096; t=1784543408; bh=fJ9fW/806g5TSv6iZwXOa042Y0ib5SpCChclQYe6eLw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=g7vVD0GsFponIjXmz3gu5mi+MhfUf8NApOuZSuUW6yYWrtesx8kOQVFU2kmsULw0x byvzM5njxtRdAnsvo8NkBWMvVwLm/2W0FHaN/E7Iu9bGALKQj5Mmoa/c3UB0LkXZxd /iV6wp20orCGoNt+jvQrCquPey828Mr9S5dU63dpu2E7YWDaNR/jBNHgjx+YZErvr/ ncmxSWNfIzVG8larybGlvmgVdpRw4szatRKHJ6CNq03x45VjEO8zoQZuCBz20sW9q7 9+azTgm2sSyg3UrMr1FQtJSgd5bWkFTQBISnBRyQ7unnhN46PeKDtd3TqzS38aCESy prRK08whpudjU50M+x8qw714IpiHS8rM/jcfbEbYhlCxONzENI25c3aY68bno+UAjT BFUJUAguao+SMzViuzwNIWiG2htlyeUozBzJkFKuIX98kBeYSO2TA2s0w3G3Cg6x4F cuytyxqw9OhZ2ip6yCMo0jlACKZHGJkBmxtj0idBsXGFZG9L+l9NQ0cQURbh0Z/2yk NAm/4XPavnvPn7Gzogo9szaXNxr2EKFR4sa0ocycAm9kwZNEg/xwYV0ElNAKHXoNIt XSqGeum8IFyM/BfX6AMsbHM6honXPsmeF/nff2J1qTlP08jdP0PVVCBd2ZN+Eq8TuO CTOVGiz5mwpd+GK8Sv9K4Cj0= X-Passed-Through: http://ketas.si.pri.ee/ X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett X-Passed-Through: http://ketas.si.pri.ee/ Received: from ehlo.thunderbird.net (0115-0000-0000-0000-13c8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee [IPv6:2001:7d0:8437:13c8::115]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange x25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ketas.si.pri.ee (MTA) with ESMTPSA id 988D55DA81B; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 13:30:08 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 13:29:59 +0300 From: Sulev-Madis Silber To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <517030E8-D079-48DD-AE4B-093E93C8F101@ketas.si.pri.ee> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.77 / 15.00]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.974]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ketas.si.pri.ee,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:7d0:8437:1300::/56]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ketas.si.pri.ee:s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3249, ipnet:2001:7d0::/32, country:EE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ketas.si.pri.ee:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4h3cGf2jVxz49kK X-Spamd-Bar: / i wonder if it's audio hw being crap in idle mode? if so, devs also have sa= me cursewords to shout=2E just look comments on rtl nic drivers very funnily this audio chip could ALSO (now actually shouting) be rtl i'm not familiar with dac's and sound also, that also happens directly from sound card too? to me it looks as if something is trying to switch (pre)amp to "quiet" mod= e from lack or input but instead this happens and it's only fbsd issue? sure, not many people use fbsd daily=2E which is fun, because nowadays you= can have multiple physical machines=2E each with own os=2E depends on setu= p, quite decent machine could be on verge of being e-waste i don't currently do it anymore=2E but that's because lack of willpower to= properly setup a next laptop=2E previous one broke years ago=2E it was new= old stock t60 which i truly used until it broke somehow internally so once i get my will back, i just use phones (lol) to ssh into fbsd On July 20, 2026 3:04:25 AM GMT+03:00, vermaden wr= ote: >Hi=2E > >For a start lets define some TERMS=2E I use UPPERCASE not to shout - but = to underline a part of the sentence that is needed to be underlined - this = is plain email - I do not have Bold/Underscore/Italic options - keep that i= n mind - now - to the core of the issue =2E=2E=2E > >I always considered FreeBSD OSS audio/sound subsystem superior to all ALS= A/PulseAudio/PipeWire and other dramas from the Linux world =2E=2E=2E but n= ot anymore=2E > >Somewhere between 14=2E3-RELEASE and 14=2E4-RELEASE things begin to get b= roken - I thought that upgrade to latest and greatest 15=2E1-RELEASE would = solve my issues - as there were LOTS of sound/audio related things=2E > >I will not even start about PITA syntax of mixer(1) which went into this: > >% mixer -f ${DEV} vol=2Evolume=3D+0=2E05 > >=2E=2E=2E from MUCH MORE friendly syntax=2E > >But these random 'boozing' sounds are just unacceptable =2E=2E=2E and I c= an not even tell where they came from =2E=2E=2E is it OSS problem? Is is Pu= lseAudio problem? Something in between? Because there is NOTHING in the log= s for audio=2E > >Its also possible to get that file from my personal 'mediafire=2Ecom' acc= ount here: >- https://mediafire=2Ecom/file/jw3cpk8g77rvks2/freebsd-tragic-audio-sound= =2Emp4/file > >=2E=2E=2E and its not some fancy laptop from yesterday =2E=2E=2E its a Th= inkPad T480 from 2018 for fuck sake - hardware like that used to run smooth= as Carlos Sainz 'smooth operator' in Singapore GP =2E=2E=2E but not anymor= e=2E > >I do not even know what to add here =2E=2E=2E its a message send our of d= espair =2E=2E=2E as newer releases only made these things worse =2E=2E=2E I= have been repeating this over and over again - but its again probably the = issue that 'too less' FreeBSD developers use FreeBSD as their daily driver/= desktop/laptop system=2E > >Sorry to disappoint=2E > >Regards, >vermaden > >