From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 24 11:02:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5312616A4CE for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:02:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from male.aldigital.co.uk (male.thebunker.net [213.129.64.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595DA43D48 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:02:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from gravitas.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by male.aldigital.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565CB9774A; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:02:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1])iBOB2bkg005090; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:02:38 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Message-ID: <41CBF748.3010407@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:02:32 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041213) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org To: Brian Astill References: <003501c4e842$2f46c830$2a64015a@apise6e37e23bb> <200412230809.31238.bastill@adam.com.au> <41CAD2A0.1070806@infracaninophile.co.uk> <200412241641.47130.bastill@adam.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200412241641.47130.bastill@adam.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0E6BA56FC42D2B682B58A531" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:02:42 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0E6BA56FC42D2B682B58A531 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Astill wrote: > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:13 am, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >>Ah. A crucial bit of information that was missing from the original >>post. Standard practice in that case is to create a partition on the >>system with a filesystem that both OSes can read and write. Between >>Windows and FreeBSD that boils down to msdosfs, or in Windows-speak >>FAT32. (FAT12 and FAT16 are also supported, but why on earth would >>you want to use them if FAT32 works?) > > > Sounds fine - BUT! M$ being M$ even different versions of Windoze > cannot read different M$ files. eg WinNT cannot read FAT32. The NTFS > in XP is different from that in WinNT. Other versions of Windoze > cannot read either of the NTFS versions. The only "universal" is > FAT16, which limits you to 2G partitions. > So ... if your flavour of Windoze can read FAT32, a FAT32 partition is a > very good idea because all the commonly-available unices can read it as > well. > If it can't ... the options aren't so good. I'd think ext2 would be > the only workable alternative to FAT16, but neither is desirable. > > BTW, I haven't found one, but does anyone have a way to make WinNT read > FAT32? You know, every time I think I'm becoming too cynical about the Windows world, all I need to do is read a post like this, and remind myself that it is impossible to be /too/ cynical about Windows. The only possible reason M$ could have for withdrawing FAT32 support completely from their product line is to make it harder for people to interoperate with free-Unixoid systems. A move which must be based on the arrogant belief that they have the world clasped so firmly by the short-and-curlies that it will do /anything/ other than give up using Windows. That is a very curious idea. People want their computers to interoperate. There's a huge effort going into making that happen in the Free-Unix world. If M$ starts trying to remove all of the functionality that permits that, then one day they are going to wake up and find that their userbase has decamped to running the sort of systems where they can actually get stuff done... It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic. M$ needs to learn the lessons of history: there have been any number of corporate giants who have achieved some sort of transitory pre-eminence in computing and then faded right away. (Where is DEC nowadays? Just a small part of a sub-division of HP) And the start of their downfall was because they tried to lock their customers into their proprietary systems, instead of competing on equal terms. Anyhow, this really is getting off-topic for freebsd-questions@... and should have gone to freebsd-advocacy@... instead. Followup-to: set appropriately. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor School Rd PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK --------------enig0E6BA56FC42D2B682B58A531 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQcv3TZr7OpndfbmCAQLHnQP+I1Dba/Y+lBb9C4IvEWzhHHU1svo5hCW+ ygDCW8aq3l5uDYtQXCtzxEffswv8weLmfAivHsHHne6pyO4iKJIUFj1MUSVgM4U5 BpOQNSQESgna+DN/hOynupWCWIqNOb6kx/di/gjjwVf/7+tODWT+6ZUCIu7XUfVs vt3RqiEdCck= =oQNj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig0E6BA56FC42D2B682B58A531--