From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 18:16:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A511F16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:16:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postfix4-2.free.fr (postfix4-2.free.fr [213.228.0.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E8F43D5C for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:16:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rsidd@online.fr) Received: from imp4-q.free.fr (imp4-q.free.fr [212.27.42.4]) by postfix4-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA94235660; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:16:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by imp4-q.free.fr (Postfix, from userid 33) id B96E9FF37; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:16:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from 219.64.140.252 ([219.64.140.252]) by imp4-q.free.fr (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:16:02 +0100 Message-ID: <1101752162.41ab6762ab0b2@imp4-q.free.fr> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:16:02 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Dan Langille References: <20041129024602.GA23324@turingmachine.mentalsiege.net> <41AB14CF.28995.7F450DD1@localhost> In-Reply-To: <41AB14CF.28995.7F450DD1@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 219.64.140.252 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The beastie boot menu. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:16:05 -0000 Quoting Dan Langille : > On 29 Nov 2004 at 18:14, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > More evidence that FreeBSD is losing all touch with regular users. > > Yes. Exactly... huh? Oh yeah, we're missing a ;) above. No, no smiley. But I agree I can't speak for all regular users. I'm speaking for myself, and at various times others have said the same for themselves. I used to like FreeBSD -- the system and the community. I'm no longer comfortable with either. The change began, for me, when Matt Dillon was chucked out: it seemed odd then but it now seems just another example of how new thinking is simply not tolerated. My own capacity for contributing is very limited, but some time back I made a posting offering to try upgrade the system's man command to the most recent GNU version (which offers the nice feature that you can read a manpage foo.1 in your current directory with "man ./foo.1" without installing it). As I expected, I received not a single constructive comment, but several comments on why it was not necessary because you can use a groff command to read a manpage page instead. In fact there were three mails making corrections to the exact groff command required, but the irony of expecting regular users to know all this seemed lost on the posters. That kind of thinking pervades FreeBSD. The removal of the login menu is just the latest example. I now use Dragonfly for self-education and Linux for something that works with my hardware. Rahul