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Date:      Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:16:28 -0700
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Elizabeth Myers <elizabeth@interlinked.me>
Cc:        "Brian McGovern (bmcgover)" <bmcgover@cisco.com>, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@mail.turbofuzz.com>,  freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>, Anna Wilcox <AWilcox@wilcox-tech.com>, "sparc64@freebsd.org" <sparc64@freebsd.org>, Sean Bruno <sbruno@freebsd.org>,  Marius Strobl <marius@alchemy.franken.de>
Subject:   Re: Sparc64 doesn't care about you, and you shouldn't care about Sparc64
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On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Elizabeth Myers <elizabeth@interlinked.me>
wrote:

> You are seriously going to use "we're not NetBSD" as an argument?


You noticed I didn't reply to it. The argument is completely lame. FreeBSD
runs
today in a variety of markets. Some new, some not so new. The thing that
makes
each of these areas unique is that there's a thriving community around them,
FreeBSD still runs well enough on these machines to get something done, and
when things break, they get fixed in a timely manner.

Alpha was removed because it got broken by some changes, and stayed broken
for a long time despite repeated requests to fix it. Sparc64 is on the cusp
of that:
some minor things are broken, but have been fixed. The current crisis is
due to
the end of life of gcc in the tree and its fallout coupled with some
neglect of the
port due to time constraints.

At first I was all for removal. With more data, I'm less sure. If the
promises are kept
made in this thread, it looks to remain viable for a while, though the lack
of a
qemu-user solution means that packages for a slow platform (where they are
really quite useful) will remain limited. Maybe there's enough hardware
around
that third-party pkg repos can fill the gap, maybe not. I think we should
experiment
with this model and see what it produces. Give the branching of 11 as the
deadline
to show something viable...

Warner



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