From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 24 12:46:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDA637B431 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF1343E4A for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:46:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020924194604.ICQX1160.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:46:04 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8OJk33e009818; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:46:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8OJk3Ul009817; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200209241946.g8OJk3Ul009817@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020729 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Brooks Davis Cc: Stijn Hoop , Matthias Andree , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADSUP: gzip packages on FreeBSD 4-STABLE In-Reply-To: <20020924120937.A30626@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200209241843.g8OIh9uO089468@arch20m.dellroad.org> <20020924185739.GF2009@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <20020924120937.A30626@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Comments: In-reply-to Brooks Davis message dated "Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:09:37 -0700." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-172326288P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:46:03 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_-172326288P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:57:39PM +0200, Stijn Hoop wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:52:05PM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: > > > Archie Cobbs writes: > > > > Megabytes are cheap and getting cheaper, while people's time and > > > > frustration are expensive and getting more expensive... > > >=20 > > > I beg to differ. Modem (V.90) links will still benefit from saved > > > megabytes, because a MB across a modem takes like three minutes. > > >=20 > > > MByte =3D> Time =3D> Cost. > >=20 > > Don't forget the amount of packages on the distributed cd's. > >=20 > > Although this restriction of space will probably disappear in time again > > with the rise of the DVD-ROM. > > Not really. The FreeBSD Services double DVD set isn't all that far from > not having space for all the packages on one disk. You can't fit both > packages and port source on one disk. (Picking a random message to reply to) I don't anyone's opposed to the idea of having bzip2 packages. But we need to do this without breaking support for gzip packages and to make sure that packages work under *all* the circumstances that they need to. It doesn't matter how much we save on better compression if the base system utilities aren't ready to handle the task yet. (No fault intended towards obrien, who wrote a lot of the bzip2 support, or anyone else who contributed towards this. Getting this right is *hard*, but one might have to UTSL to realize this, just as I had to.) With my RE team member hat on, I'll comment that the last two weeks of a code freeze before a release is *not* the time to be trying to figure out how to do this. Bruce. --==_Exmh_-172326288P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE9kMD72MoxcVugUsMRApigAJ9Ho5I73vpoe+WV9E1REfEGK27GbQCgi7VD VPR61WnmjVYOjhp0vn5XzxA= =BYhv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-172326288P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message