From owner-freebsd-virtualization@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 05:53:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 854E55FF for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 523341360 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id uo5so2787945pbc.41 for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 21:53:23 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PFNCCTl22N9iBUjV80MXSIrDkejKjASx+Oqwm5Jsw6I=; b=DGrjwueVBNM/H7arv6FS3mdCTbgIawaJpKBqL52mKZfcLzEP15vUBd+vLOtPa3GSZ+ p7EvawBpBMjYhaIYQHKnjGtQBwqA5YzLxvkcnZUTjIxL3bd398SRNkXFOWAC9xWiITrr Nxi/z8h4X/jYTbzzwj879kNBwdvelQdP2kRevKKAYmlZixXchmMBCP3+gUliK95HFtws 6UnhFK5rPhW5N9KSQcnLHVPWir/V8ZxQBLOha0A6SKAAq94INX+aXYc77uA0zRCVl2hs mZBoS1lNWunrcqJ8LvhrhLznV8lHJQDWyANeozIhy/OXRAK3erUAB7NhWIAr8ObtCc1M m6jg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlHwEjgzQCJMN6s1OduI6/5xkbyeyXSfQjIyVEHFstCL4nrijYGDFisA39kbihWeseqVGtf X-Received: by 10.66.66.234 with SMTP id i10mr5496047pat.127.1391752403128; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 21:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from Michaels-MacBook-Pro.local (c-98-246-202-204.hsd1.or.comcast.net. [98.246.202.204]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id kc9sm9685945pbc.25.2014.02.06.21.53.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Feb 2014 21:53:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52F474CF.7000805@callfortesting.org> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 21:53:19 -0800 From: Michael Dexter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aryeh Friedman Subject: Re: CFT: Very rough draft of PetiteCloud 0.2.4 (Linux as a host) References: <52F3B69B.6030706@pix.net> <52F3E0F9.8040504@callfortesting.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of various virtualization techniques FreeBSD supports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 05:53:30 -0000 On 2/6/14 7:02 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > We still have not received any guidance on what sort of CFT's (if any) > are allowed on -virtualization@ for open-source projects that aim to be > FreeBSD ports. That's not how it works. Read past list corespondent to get a feel for the tone of the list. Some lists are extremely loose and some are very firm such as one-way security announcements. If you have a doubt or a question, politely ask it and you will find that people are astonishingly helpful. Tell them how it's going to be and they will at best ignore but possibly shun or flame you. The BSD developers are the finest people I have found on this planet and I highly suggest you appreciate what they provide all of us in exchange for either an implied approval, the occasional thanks, the occasional beer or best of all, a meaningful bug report or patch. Please consider this: BSD Unix contains millions of lines of quality code that took millions of person hours to produce. Statistically, there is no dent that any of us can make on it that is warrants arrogance. Companies have come and gone who thought they could laugh their way to the bank by forking it with some multi-person-year diff that they thought the community would never catch up with. bhyve, pf and ZFS show that the community will ALWAYS be ahead of the game and that some companies grasp the value of sharing key technologies like bhyve and ZFS. The community and your role will best function if its extremely simple rules are followed in the context of its extremely reasonable and generous license. In short, do your homework and you will be very glad you did because it will open many doors for you and earn the trust of amazing developers, administrators and users around the world. This is my personal opinion but it is based on over 20 years of BSD Unix use and a dozen years of active community participation. Pause. Listen. Listen some more. Ask questions. Help out and receive priceless help from some of the best developers on the planet. Michael