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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 18:26:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_692A614D-82BE-464E-8132-F1AA33617AED Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I have had very good experience with the old BananaPi, as one of the few = early ARM boards it has native SATA and native 1G ethernet. It also has a handy Li-ion charger circuit that can function as an UPS = and an RTC with battery / supercap backup. I=E2=80=99ve used many of these as small NAS/backup units that run on = less than 5Watts. However it has taken a lot of hacking and coding the missing pieces, so = its not =E2=80=9Cworking out of the box=E2=80=9D That platform is dated, so I=E2=80=99ve started working with the = Espressobin V5 instead as a more modern substitute. Thanks to this list and the excellent work done by other developers, = lots of investigation and fiddling and adding code here and there I do = have it booting and working good enough to be useful. Mind you the same applies here, it needs a lot of handholding and = knowledge to get working. All these SBC=E2=80=99s are more or less prototypes, some end up in real = products, but mostly its just toys for developers to wet their teeth at. Just my 0.50 Dkr ;) -S=C3=B8ren > On 10 Jul 2019, at 19.58, Jedi Tek'Unum wrote: >=20 > As a relative noob to SBCs running FreeBSD=E2=80=A6 >=20 > Seems to me that there are well-supported SBCs (although dated) such = as Beagle Bone Black. >=20 > As a consumer of this stuff, I=E2=80=99d welcome a short list of = focused SBCs where I could just pick one of them. Provided that there = are at least a couple of categories. >=20 > My particular interest is in scaling down to serve in various embedded = automation roles. I=E2=80=99m currently using (with Linux as more = support for it only very recently appeared for FreeBSD) NanoPi NEO and = NanoPi NEO 2. Besides being decent devices they are also classified as = LTS. I=E2=80=99m going to be interested in even smaller devices like = https://www.crowdsupply.com/groboards/giant-board = . I=E2=80=99m not = hung up on any specific device, and would be more than willing to buy = whatever is well supported. >=20 > I fully recognize that most people are interested in more powerful = devices. So maybe a primary device in each of 2-3 categories would be = optimal. >=20 > The unfortunate truth is that most of these things come out of the box = with Linux support. Another truth is that a lot of the time they are = manufacturers minimal attempt. Sometimes things don=E2=80=99t work and = rarely do they get updated. So like Linux in general, there are pros and = cons. I mention this because I=E2=80=99d rather see a few devices with = really good support in FreeBSD rather than many devices with = partial/poor support. >=20 > Thanks for reading (and thanks to those that are doing all this work = to support SBCs with FreeBSD). >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arm@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arm > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arm-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --Apple-Mail=_692A614D-82BE-464E-8132-F1AA33617AED Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEkC0kEuD0Me2xEj5EGvRMAY4qbRsFAl0mLdsACgkQGvRMAY4q bRsYtRAAonkZ9jh24ezUC+zd7vG+IJhsUYjX5/u5jim3jNsB3Ugs1RCunPTdVB3s KRzmm2WwNG9eqz+s4lHW6svA4ExcRc8J+ycmc6C8XxRo7J9kzwyZMh37a1ZNB9+P 714l8Xwx61qNx6XguY3PXfDcyaDUoU24yasPWUEZ5oXVWfRZjRurQwiSU5Ka2Dbl XD1XtJNoQWGRJfVOCZUPoyuXDEkCNTfIrtTyxMdNNEZHX21m7pl71F0hqfi38B36 LgRhVC1Cam5BdZXk3THHIOBoOAXwSSgkKAeazLi4q6KKcrGQ8aTaERaLw7dOeoaM av0XII1Xn4i5t3M0kXP7B+QuGKTkxHcEjFu+8zIr2Eo6W2OZ5/wM5Bjyh2oY0Qti WyR7Mx4nZ5gZtewFz/xCjE7liG6IGOEnRnNFYml+f/CT9qamQ2Th7+3Eb4pOvILA HmC0IX6zrU3UEYYdVF7Opx+0+cPjqhtuP6awPwKUn38/kW/tm6v5HvWCTV2nrloN 1ZuN7nOZ8AAue8tE+LWtVxgq942EuVgca3a2NbOK9Ya7q0XZceOr17jQSSo3QSSm SRIJMhLk8lvwUmr2hi1ZATO+AuqxXTJnYdBBcpuJ8fP48S8VyiqcSwXhqFCLi1Bw X1lPy1caQAAq6bu4vS5nZa3qGfBVto3bVIczz6vt2dzGsqO+JaQ= =FFNe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_692A614D-82BE-464E-8132-F1AA33617AED--