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Date:      Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:51:21 -0400
From:      Robert Simmons <rsimmons0@gmail.com>
To:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Freeze when running freebsd-update
Message-ID:  <CA%2BQLa9DY1KGvKvJAg4d0irNjRG%2BEmPbpEqzZ1-Dzg5bhPD_cYA@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20120627063400.298430@gmx.com>
References:  <20120627063400.298430@gmx.com>

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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Dieter BSD <dieterbsd@engineer.com> wrote:
>>> Robert writes:
>>>> 3) the box is responsive to hitting enter at the console (it produces
>>>> another login: prompt)
>>>
>>> Getty is in memory and can run.
>>>
>>>> 5) if I try to login to the console, it lets me enter a username then
>>>> locks up totally, it does not present me with a password: prompt.
>>>
>>> Login(1) is not in memory, and the kernel cannot read it from disk
>>> for some reason.
>>>
>>> I can get this symptom by writing a large file to a disk on a
>>> controller that FreeBSD doesn't support NCQ on. I assume there
>>> is a logjam in the buffer cache. Something trivial like reading
>>> login in from disk that would normally happen in well under a
>>> second can take many minutes.
>>>
>>> Perhaps geli is causing a similar logjam? Does it hang forever or
>>> is it just obscenely slow? If it truely hangs forever it is
>>> probably something else. Is there disk activity after it hangs?
>>> Can you try it without geli? systat -vmstat might provide a clue.
>>
>> Well, it is geli. I'm unable to reproduce the freeze on the same
>> exact system with everything else the same except for no geli. I'm
>> going to move this thread over to geom, and continue it there. Thanks
>> for your help!
>
> It occurs to me that it will need twice as much memory for disk i/o.
> 1 buffer for encrypted and 1 for unencrypted. I know nothing about geli,
> so I don't know if it uses the buffer cache for both, or what.
> Could it be that the kernel isn't keeping enough memory free and
> manages to paint itself into a corner and not have space to store
> the unencrypted version of disk reads, and can't page/swap anything
> out to make space because it doesn't have space to store the encrypted
> version to write?

I think that's probably about what is happening.  I'm still waiting
for an answer on the geom mailing list, but I will do some testing
with increasing memory sizes and see where the problem stops
occurring.



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