From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Nov 28 12:00:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08995 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:00:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08990 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:00:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crouilla@ucsd.edu) Received: from localhost (crouilla@localhost) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id MAA24478; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:00:35 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: sdcc10.ucsd.edu: crouilla owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:00:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck Rouillard Reply-To: chuck@ucsd.edu To: ADRIAN Filipi-Martin cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: In support of advocacy... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, ADRIAN Filipi-Martin wrote: > On Fri, 27 Nov 1998, Chuck Rouillard wrote: > > > > > [chop] > > > Yep, if one is interested in doing rather than talking, there are > > > plenty of controversy-free and eminently worthy tasks to turn one's > > > attention to. > > > > In the couple of months I've been on advocacy, the dreamers, poets, > > and armchair quarterbacks seem to have lots to say about FBSD. > > Apparently, 'advocacy' is a cornucopia for issues and well-intended > > solutions(sans any strategy for implementation). > > > > Of course, as much as I anticipate any number of tips, ideas, or > > occasional successes in support of FBSD, I see very little except > > from, say, Greg(Lehey). > > > > Let's see some real *SUPPORT* for FBSD! Hell, I work for a company > > with it's own UNIX. Staff developers have free access to it and I > > still managed to get 3 people in my group to go out and buy 2.2.7 > > and build cable-modem gateways in their homes. > > Hey, just because we don't brag about each convert or satisfied > customer that now has a FreeBSD box, doesn't mean we aren't out there > promoting FreeBSD. I've got a number of significant local area wins over > the last four to five years. > > I'm not saying that more couldn't be done. Just that what is > being done is somewhat underrpresented/understated.... sounds like *BSD > advocacy in general... > > I guess we could develop some ascii art tokens to represent how > many kill each of us has and tack them onto our sigs like fighter pilots > and their planes. ;-) You're right. My 'example' suggests I'm looking for brag sheets. I'm not. Instead, and in the spirit of advocacy, I was hoping to such things as: o "X company is planning on a new UNIX network. What are some of better selling points of FreeBSD against, say, SCO, Sol?" o "We don't have a SIG in our (community|town|city|state|country), has anyone started one and how did you go about it?" o "We have a local computer rag and I was consider doing a promo. Anyone here had experience with this?" o "I am considering writing SCSI support for the SYMBIOS chip set and was wondering if anyone else had similar interests or had heard of others involved with this?" o "My (college|university|alma mater) offers software to students at substantial discount. I'd like to get then to offer FBSD as well. Anyone done this before? Whom do I tell them to call?" Don't bother addressing any of the bulletized questions; they're contrived and we all know it. The point is to establish a productive dialog that promotes the use and widespread appeal of FBSD. I believe one of the keys to being a good advocate for something is understanding it's stengths and weaknesses within and amongst its peers(if any). Notice the few responses Greg(Lehey) is getting in his recent appeals. BTW: Laugh all you want, but I like Adrian's "ascii art tokens". :-> -c --------------------------------------- Chuck Rouillard | ucsd : chuck@ucsd.edu | ncr : charr@sparc.sandiegoca.ncr.com | --------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message