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Date:      Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:00:35 -0800 (PST)
From:      Chuck Rouillard <crouilla@ucsd.edu>
To:        ADRIAN Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com>
Cc:        advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: In support of advocacy...
Message-ID:  <Pine.SUN.4.02A.9811281031510.22489-100000@sdcc10.ucsd.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981128130217.3959A-100000@lorax.ubergeeks.com>

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On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, ADRIAN Filipi-Martin wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Nov 1998, Chuck Rouillard wrote:
> 
> > 
> > [chop]
> > > Yep, if one is interested in doing rather than talking, there are
> > > plenty of controversy-free and eminently worthy tasks to turn one's
> > > attention to.
> > 
> > In the couple of months I've been on advocacy, the dreamers, poets,
> > and armchair quarterbacks seem to have lots to say about FBSD.
> > Apparently, 'advocacy' is a cornucopia for issues and well-intended
> > solutions(sans any strategy for implementation).
> > 
> > Of course, as much as I anticipate any number of tips, ideas, or
> > occasional successes in support of FBSD, I see very little except
> > from, say, Greg(Lehey).
> > 
> > Let's see some real *SUPPORT* for FBSD!  Hell, I work for a company
> > with it's own UNIX.  Staff developers have free access to it and I
> > still managed to get 3 people in my group to go out and buy 2.2.7
> > and build cable-modem gateways in their homes.
> 
> 	Hey, just because we don't brag about each convert or satisfied
> customer that now has a FreeBSD box, doesn't mean we aren't out there
> promoting FreeBSD.  I've got a number of significant local area wins over
> the last four to five years. 
> 
> 	I'm not saying that more couldn't be done.  Just that what is
> being done is somewhat underrpresented/understated.... sounds like *BSD
> advocacy in general...
> 
> 	I guess we could develop some ascii art tokens to represent how
> many kill each of us has and tack them onto our sigs like fighter pilots
> and their planes.  ;-)


You're right.  My 'example' suggests I'm looking for brag sheets.  I'm
not.  Instead, and in the spirit of advocacy, I was hoping to such things
as:

o  "X company is planning on a new UNIX network.  What are some of
    better selling points of FreeBSD against, say, SCO, Sol?"

o  "We don't have a SIG in our (community|town|city|state|country),
    has anyone started one and how did you go about it?"

o  "We have a local computer rag and I was consider doing a promo.
    Anyone here had experience with this?"

o  "I am considering writing SCSI support for the SYMBIOS chip set
    and was wondering if anyone else had similar interests or had
    heard of others involved with this?"

o  "My (college|university|alma mater) offers software to students at
    substantial discount.  I'd like to get then to offer FBSD as well.
    Anyone done this before?  Whom do I tell them to call?"

Don't bother addressing any of the bulletized questions; they're
contrived and we all know it.  The point is to establish a productive
dialog that promotes the use and widespread appeal of FBSD.

I believe one of the keys to being a good advocate for something is
understanding it's stengths and weaknesses within and amongst its
peers(if any).  Notice the few responses Greg(Lehey) is getting in
his recent appeals.

BTW: Laugh all you want, but I like Adrian's "ascii art tokens". :->

-c

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Chuck Rouillard                       |
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