From owner-freebsd-bugs Sun Jan 12 12:32: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3630837B401 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F15143F18 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:32:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 71EA6CD24; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:31:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D643CD23; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:31:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:31:53 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: jjramsey@pobox.com Cc: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Semirandom bug in FreeBSD's ATA querying In-Reply-To: <20030112191931.26473.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030112141215.V1497@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> References: <20030112191931.26473.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, James J. Ramsey wrote: > As far as the bug being in the hardware, I call bullsh*t. The Quantum Fireball drives are notorious pieces of crap. You haven't been around enough of those drives if you aren't soured on them. So, FreeBSD isn't working quite correctly with this particular piece of crap. You can hardly blame FreeBSD for that, even though FreeBSD can and probably will work around the problem so that it does work correctly, it was not FreeBSD's problem to begin with. An unfortunate drawback of an OS working around a problem in a generic way via software for a misbehaving device is that it then paves the way for future devices to behave the same way and get away with it when the device vendor performs validation against that OS. We can probably blame this on Windows since that is undoutedly what Quantum did a majority of their validation against. :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message