From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Apr 5 2:10:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D4237B416 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 02:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([80.4.14.162] helo=rhadamanth.submonkey.net) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 16tQg3-0005cr-00 for Questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:10:39 +0100 Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16tQfq-0004PP-00; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 11:10:26 +0100 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:10:26 +0100 From: Ceri To: "Philip J. Koenig" Cc: Questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hub.freebsd.org spam policy Message-ID: <20020405101026.GC15938@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri , "Philip J. Koenig" , Questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020404223902.G2470@rain.macguire.net> <20020405074448067.AAA353@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020405074448067.AAA353@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 11:44:48PM -0800, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > Virtually all high-profile mailing lists today ask for verification > of subscriptions because to not do so entails a plethora of problems > - from spamming, flooding, pranksters who subscribe people against > their will, etc. I don't have to "presume" this, it is just a simple > fact. The only case where I think "single opt-in" is a reasonable > option for a list maintainer are one-way lists where users cannot > post messages. (and only when there is a very high degree of > confidence that users want to be on the list - such as companies or > other entities where you already have a relationship with them) > > The interesting thing is that now the freebsd lists require > authentication. Greg claims it's been this way "for years", > yet A) I see no evidence of this when I subscribed to 5 freebsd lists > at one time back in 11/2000 (I save everything including the > majordomo response messages) and B) it makes no sense if people were > truly arguing passionately to provide "open access". So which is it - > are the lists "open access" or not? If they aren't, how could the > last sentence of this assertion of yours make any sense: > > > Often, new users will email the list with one or two questions, > > and have no interest or need to follow it after that. Signing up > > for a list, confirming, asking your questions, getting your > > answers, and then unsubscribing, is something of a hassle. > > Presumably the list postmasters considered this, and opted for user > > needs. To clarify the situation : To subscribe to a list requires confirmation. To post to a list does not, nor do you need to be subscribed. I don't remember a time when this was any different (but then I've only been subscribed for 18 months or so). Ceri -- keep a mild groove on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message