From owner-freebsd-current Wed Nov 3 10:35:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles558.castles.com [208.214.165.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B61114D15 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:35:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06471; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:26:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199911031826.KAA06471@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GENERIC build broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:24:43 PST." <199911031824.KAA60287@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:26:38 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > :I'm offended, and a little amused. You say "you aren't listening to > :what I'm saying", yet you have quoted a paragraph in which I say > :"... it doesn't require any buy-in from motherboard vendors." > : > :Are you calling me a liar, or stupid, or are you not reading what I'm > > No, I'm just giving you the reality. Until I can buy *generic* > motherboards and/or ethernet cards that actually netboot, what > standards a few of them might use is moot. You can. Go do it. Guess what I'm working on PXE with? Yes, if you make a bad buying choice on the network card, you're going to spend a few dollars on a bootprom. *shrug* Welcome to "bootable" vs. "non-bootable" network cards. > We have exactly the same issues with netbooting that we had with CDRom > booting. Actually, what we have is the same set of issues that we've had with booting from cards with their own firmware since about 1986. (Possibly earlier; that's just when I first got involved with it.) By your logic, until motherboards have options for controlling the boot order of eg. plug-in SCSI adapters there is no point in you buying plug-in SCSI adapters. So what have you been using for the last thirteen years? -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message