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Date:      Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:09:51 +0000
From:      "Bruce M. Simpson" <bms@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Peter Steele <psteele@maxiscale.com>
Cc:        freebsd-net@freebsd.org, Bruce Walker <bmw@wezel.com>
Subject:   Re: Having problems with limited broadcast
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Peter Steele wrote:
> ...
> I personally like this idea, but I'm not sure I can sell it to the
> others. Are there any restrictions to these 169.254.x.y addresses?
>   

169.254.0.0/16 must never appear outside a link -- it is strictly scoped 
to that link.

Currently the IPv4 BSD stack has no concept of link-scoped addresses, 
but IPv6 does. Link is a realized concept there because of KAME's 
support for the %<ifname> syntax. Internally, interface indexes get used.

In practice this shouldn't be an issue as long as you can guarantee 
different addresses are used for the 169.254.0.0/16 block on each 
interface, however, it would mean any app using sockets would need to 
explicitly bind to the local address to ensure the correct interface is 
used. Furthermore, we effectively need to be able to support multiple 
next-hops for the 169.254.0.0/16 prefix, otherwise we can support only 
one such interface w/o significant kernel code rewrites.

So, really, LL may not buy you anything at all, and it's likely you need 
to go straight to pcap for your app. These restrictions have existed for 
years, and the fact that they haven't been addressed has largely been 
because there has been no community strategy to deal with it. I 
speculate some BSD-using organisations might have already solved these 
problems, however, without evidence (and code sharing), that's pure 
speculation.

cheers
BMS



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