From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 11 02:10:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2281106566C for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 02:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spatula@spatula.net) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BDE8FC14 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 02:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn34 with SMTP id 34so3211567iwn.13 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:10:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.146.141 with SMTP id h13mr1984380ibv.1.1284169548610; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Sender: spatula@spatula.net Received: by 10.231.12.140 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:45:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86vd6df4yx.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86occ5k6yo.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4C8AD94A.9060404@speakeasy.net> <86vd6df4yx.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:45:48 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GJkGo_l84-4A7sxJqX9cQQ7UUKk Message-ID: From: Nicklas Johnson To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 02:10:35 -0000 This has turned into, without a doubt, the most retarded thread I've read in eons. A word to the wise: starting holy wars over languages, operating systems, browsers, window managers, editors, shells, or mail readers among a large list of geeks is a waste of everyone's time. If you do it, you are already a troll and you deserve to be banished to the wasteland for being such a killer of what productivity might have otherwise occurred had you not done something so foolish and pointless. If you think that "there can be only one" language, operating system, browser, window manager, editor, shell, or mail reader, I declare that you are an idiot. There's a reason we have so many choices in languages, operating systems, browsers, window managers, editors, shells and mail readers, just as there's a reason we have so many choices in cars, motorcycles, shoes, underwear, furniture, toilet paper, and cake. Different things are appropriate for different situations and different people. If you see things in such simplistic terms that one thing is always "good" and another thing is always "bad", you are a simpleton. You have abdicated rational, methodical thought and replaced it with religious dogma, and you might as well be a chimpanzee or crow for all the thinking you're doing. Please, for the love of all that is human and judicious, stop being so ridiculous. There are reasons people use Java. There are reasons people don't use Java. Who cares? Use it if it's appropriate to your circumstances. Don't if it's not. Make a decision based on the facts and circumstances with which you're presented, not on religious dogma from loud, fundamentalist blowhards. Nick On 10 September 2010 18:23, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Jason" == Jason C Wells writes: > > Jason> On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >> > >> I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. > >> > >> > Jason> Java is not just for browsers. > > Indeed. And I still stand by my statement. > > Java makes everyone equally incompetent, which is why managers like it. > It helps the beginner, hurts the advanced. Managers can swap > programmers in and out strictly on head count, not on experience. > > Friends don't let friends make greenstarts with Java. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside > discussion > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >