From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 18 07:34:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20806 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:34:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from salmon.hei.net (salmon.hei.net [209.222.163.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20800 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:34:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@salmon.hei.net) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by salmon.hei.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21536; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:34:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: "John A. Hengstler" To: George Wenzel cc: Troy Settle , "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: Aliased IPs In-Reply-To: <367A0AFC.49D5@realtime.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here Here! John Hengstler On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, George Wenzel wrote: > Troy Settle wrote: > > > > If you want to talk about inefficient use of IP space, look at the people > > who still hold their Class-{A,B,C} networks. Having this portable space > > is insane, especially when a university has 2 Class-B networks, and then > > subnets it out so that a lab with 24 workstations has a full /24. > > > > A Class-A has >16 million addresses. Can anyone on this list suggest any > > organization that can make _efficient_ use of it? No? Didn't think so. > > > I have several corporate customers with B's. Most of them got the > addresses > well before connecting to the Internet. These are medium to small > firms. > I've got huge clients existing on much less. > > There is a LOT of space that needs to be harvested from inefficient > allocation. ISP's need to be the leaders of efficiency. If we were to > do our job correctly, those inefficient allocations should be able to > be eliminated in a painless manner... no one should have to renumber. > NAT has it's flaws, but sooner or later we will all be using it. ISP's > should be able to maintain their own address space consisting of as many > full address spaces as they feel like translating. Part of what we need > is better central site software and systems, but that is coming. > > I'm confident the world will never run out of ip addresses. When we > think > we are out, we will learn to multiply. It is really a simple > engineering > problem. > > There are no limits except those in our heads. > > George > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message